2023 Mach-E priced over $55K & delivered in 2023 will not qualify for tax credit! Latest IRS ruling says Mach-E is a CAR - not SUV !

[nvabill]

And the winner is.....................

My point all along.

I would be totally fine if the law was never enacted as well. The "spirit" IMO, was to give the Manufacturers a kickstart to open up the market to BEVs. I really don't know if that really happened to be quite honest but I do see the disparity in a few that got the 7.5k and those (due to bad timing) missed out on it. The groundwork for most companies are at least a decade or more before issuing a vehicle and the shifting sands if you will are never predictable. In other words, Ford would have pursued this because they saw a market that Tesla was capturing. No different than Ford reviving the Bronco to compete with the Jeep that was cornering the market.

My main point of contention was/is the hypocrisy in receiving the credit with no problem and then suggesting how bad it is to keep up with a similar system for future BEV owners.

I received the 7.5 k credit and I would not have purchased my car without it. Due to ordering a vehicle that didn't exist before my order, there is one more EV out there in the World now. I could have easily purchased a really nice ICE vehicle and had the same amount of money in my pocket at the end of the day so to speak even with the extra gas expense.

This is why I am not opposed to a future credit. I think it helped ( and will continue to help ) people like me to take the leap towards a BEV.

I am from a farming community and subsidies have been around for years and this is nothing new. It reminds me of the Farmers that would complain about people getting welfare while at the same time they are cashing their subsidy check.

One again, if you complain about welfare then don't cash your check. If you complain about the subsidy of these BEV's, then don't be a participant.

Man this on and on and on about this issue is getting absolutely hilarious!

And, as they say in court, your honor I would like to stipulate to something. And to that the judge says, ok sir go ahead what is your stipulation?

Here goes Dennis, I stipulate to the fact that I am a selfish hypocritical money hungry ho that will take any and all tax deductions, tax credits, subsidies or checks that uncle Sugar will send my way and laugh all the way to the bank! And I really don't care what anyone else thinks or what they get because honestly, and to be quite frank, it is every man for himself!

So, you can now burn me at the stake, put me in front of the firing squad or whatever but please please please keep going with all this bull shite because it is absolutely positively f**king funny as hale and I am loving all this reading each night!

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[nvabill]

Please make it stop. Please.....

Please no, this stuff is funny as can be.

 

[DennisD]

Man this on and on and on about this issue is getting absolutely hilarious!

And, as they say in court, your honor I would like to stipulate to something. And to that the judge says, ok sir go ahead what is your stipulation?

Here goes Dennis, I stipulate to the fact that I am a selfish hypocritical money hungry ho that will take any and all tax deductions, tax credits, subsidies or checks that uncle Sugar will send my way and laugh all the way to the bank! And I really don't care what anyone else thinks or what they get because honestly, and to be quite frank, it is every man for himself!

So, you can now burn me at the stake, put me in front of the firing squad or whatever but please please please keep going with all this bull shite because it is absolutely positively f**king funny as hale and I am loving all this reading each night!

So glad I can amuse you at your expense.

I think the chord that may have been struck is the fact that some people didn't realize that they accepted (in form of a tax credit) something that can be loosely described as a negative income tax i.e. welfare the instance they claimed the tax credit.

Now I may be one of the few that sees welfare as not a bad thing (but it certainly can be abused which would make it bad) but rather a device if you will, to aid in the betterment of the situation at hand.

The irony of this whole thread is that many think that the money accepted in form of a tax credit is somehow different than the money that future participants will receive in form of a credit.

Now if you were not a "participant" in this tax credit, you would have every right to say how bad you think it is and it shouldn't exist.

On the other hand, you can accept the 7.5k handout from the gov't. and suggest that we (the taxpayer) need to stop handing over money to people that purchase an EV going forward.

Now I know that you take offense of being called a hypocrite so I will just say you are not a hypocrite but rather have hypocrite tendencies in your reasoning.

 

[Mach1E]

So glad I can amuse you at your expense.

I think the chord that may have been struck is the fact that some people didn't realize that they accepted (in form of a tax credit) something that can be loosely described as a negative income tax i.e. welfare the instance they claimed the tax credit.

Now I may be one of the few that sees welfare as not a bad thing (but it certainly can be abused which would make it bad) but rather a device if you will, to aid in the betterment of the situation at hand.

The irony of this whole thread is that many think that the money accepted in form of a tax credit is somehow different than the money that future participants will receive in form of a credit.

Now if you were not a "participant" in this tax credit, you would have every right to say how bad you think it is and it shouldn't exist.

On the other hand, you can accept the 7.5k handout from the gov't. and suggest that we (the taxpayer) need to stop handing over money to people that purchase an EV going forward.

Now I know that you take offense of being called a hypocrite so I will just say you are not a hypocrite but rather have hypocrite tendencies in your reasoning.

Only you seem to think this line of reasoning is logical.

It is “almost” logical…… but not quite.

Tax credits aren’t welfare.

And no, just because you took the old tax credit doesn’t mean you have to support the new one.

It isn’t “ironic,” the old rules and new rules are very different. You don’t have to agree with them both. For the many reasons already stated.

 

[nvabill]

So glad I can amuse you at your expense.

I think the chord that may have been struck is the fact that some people didn't realize that they accepted (in form of a tax credit) something that can be loosely described as a negative income tax i.e. welfare the instance they claimed the tax credit.

Now I may be one of the few that sees welfare as not a bad thing (but it certainly can be abused which would make it bad) but rather a device if you will, to aid in the betterment of the situation at hand.

The irony of this whole thread is that many think that the money accepted in form of a tax credit is somehow different than the money that future participants will receive in form of a credit.

Now if you were not a "participant" in this tax credit, you would have every right to say how bad you think it is and it shouldn't exist.

On the other hand, you can accept the 7.5k handout from the gov't. and suggest that we (the taxpayer) need to stop handing over money to people that purchase an EV going forward.

Now I know that you take offense of being called a hypocrite so I will just say you are not a hypocrite but rather have hypocrite tendencies in your reasoning.

Welcome back to the party Dennis, as I sit hear drinking my coffee I look forward to seeing how long you can keep this party going. Sadly even though I have given you plenty of fodder I fear the subject will wither away and die!

 

[RickMachE]

I think the admins should lock this thread. Me, I'm clicking Ignore at the top of it to no longer see. What a waste of brain cells (well, only for some).

 

[DennisD]

Only you seem to think this line of reasoning is logical.

It is “almost” logical…… but not quite.

Tax credits aren’t welfare.

And no, just because you took the old tax credit doesn’t mean you have to support the new one.

It isn’t “ironic,” the old rules and new rules are very different. You don’t have to agree with them both. For the many reasons already stated.

Almost everything is subjective and everyone has a differing view to some point.

I am not suggesting that I am totally correct with my assumptions but rather pointing out to some that their view may be seen as silly at best with their logic.

I understand your points and respect them. I just view some of them through a different lens.

I never suggested that I thought that either plan was flawless but I guess I at the point of not throwing the baby out with the bath water I would look to make them better.

I see valid points on both and also see where both need tweaking at the least.

 

[nvabill]

I think the admins should lock this thread. Me, I'm clicking Ignore at the top of it to no longer see. What a waste of brain cells (well, only for some).

Rick, I have a serious question to ask as I’ve seen others say the same thing on various forums.
If you are able to hit ignore on a thread and that means everyone else can why the call to lock the thread?
Respectfully what am I missing?

 

[RickMachE]

Rick, I have a serious question to ask as I’ve seen others say the same thing on various forums.
If you are able to hit ignore on a thread and that means everyone else can why the call to lock the thread?
Respectfully what am I missing?

It was just a comment. Basically a waste of webspace, 2 people going back and forth like this. I didn't hit Report and notify the admins, just said it should be locked as it's turned into a pointless back and forth.

 

[DennisD]

Rick, I have a serious question to ask as I’ve seen others say the same thing on various forums.
If you are able to hit ignore on a thread and that means everyone else can why the call to lock the thread?
Respectfully what am I missing?

Valid question. I thought the same thing when I saw that and I was always curious of why someone wanted to lock a thread that they can ignore?

 

[nvabill]

It was just a comment. Basically a waste of webspace, 2 people going back and forth like this. I didn't hit Report and notify the admins, just said it should be locked as it's turned into a pointless back and forth.

I get you and I’m guilty as charged so I can’t disagree, the whole point of the thread is off the rails now.

 

[nivlem]

This article explains how the IRS decided what vehicles qualify for the Tax Credit. Disregard if it has already been posted.

https://www.carscoops.com/2023/01/t...uvs-and-some-dont-for-the-ira-ev-tax-credits/

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

I think the admins should lock this thread. Me, I'm clicking Ignore at the top of it to no longer see. What a waste of brain cells (well, only for some).

It was over about 48 pages ago.

 

[Socalsp3]

Consider what? I like oil subsidies.

There’s a large difference between subsidizing a commodity that everyone HAS to use vs a luxury item that only a few CHOOSE to buy.

Everyone here relies on oil. And I’m not talking about what they do or don’t put in their cars. Not even just plastics and energy production either.

Unless you live in the woods, grow your own food, make your own clothes and create your own tools from the land…… you are severely dependent on that commodity.

FWIW, that’s worldwide subsidies too. Most governments seem to understand the importance.

Guess what less people burning gasoline means more oil to use for other things.

The other goal and most important goal of the new rebate are creating jobs and encourage car manufacturing in the US. And guess what VW and hyundai are building EV factories here because imported EVS cant compete with domestic because of the rebate

 

[nvabill]

Guess what less people burning gasoline means more oil to use for other things.

The other goal and most important goal of the new rebate are creating jobs and encourage car manufacturing in the US. And guess what VW and hyundai are building EV factories here because imported EVS cant compete with domestic because of the rebate

Please, no more responses to this thread, it has reached the acceptable number of pages per our most senior forum members.

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