Tesla refuses $6.4M funding from California due to requirement of accepting payment via credit card...

[moparguy]

I really don't blame Tesla, and in a way give them credit for turning down the funding as it would require modifying their charging stall to incorporate a payment system (such as a touch screen). Tesla uses the app to reduce a point of hardware failure on the chargers themselves. Perhaps companies like EA should take notice.

I charge publicly on EA chargers 2-3 times per week, do you know how many times per week I need to assist people paying? 2-3 times per week! yep every single time!

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[Ride_the_lightning]

I'd be more afraid of credit card skimmers on chargers designed to steal your card info.

I use EVGo AutoCharge+ which is a true plug and charge and does not need a phone app to activate or use.

Once, I forgot my personal phone that had all the charge apps pre-installed (EA, Shell, Chargepoint, EVGo) but realized my EV automatically will charge at an EVGo without the need for my phone !

Saved me from having to use a credit card!

It was an NFC and chip reader built into the charger. Not easy to skim card info that way. Also I use apple on my phone. I’m not against using my phone to pay. Apple Pay is fast and compatible with NFC credit card readers. I’m against using specific apps that require account setup JUST TO END UP PAYING WITH THE SAME CREDIT CARD! Half the time I end up having to TYPE my card number into the app (not secure) instead of using Apple Pay or NFC reader (more secure).

 

[Ghost Ryder]

Haha, maybe, but $44B for Twitter says you’re wrong.

You guys are assuming that it's all Elon's money, but it's not. There are lots of Billionaires that got in on the deal. My guess is that they all know a little more about investing than the avg MachE forum user. When it comes to investing, and growing a company, making the hard decision, I'm going to have to go with the richest guy in the world over some random user on the forum. No offense.

Love him or hate him, gotta give credit where credit is due. Elon, by all accounts, is WINNING.

 

[Pushrods&Capacitors]

You guys are assuming that it's all Elon's money, but it's not. There are lots of Billionaires that got in on the deal. My guess is that they all know a little more about investing than the avg MachE forum user. When it comes to investing, and growing a company, making the hard decision, I'm going to have to go with the richest guy in the world over some random user on the forum. No offense.

Love him or hate him, gotta give credit where credit is due. Elon, by all accounts, is WINNING.

Bro, I understand how it works. A few different banks gave him about a third of it and then he also owes Larry Ellison and a Saudi Prince like $7B. Actually, Twitter is on the hook for the amount. Yeah, that Twitter, that’s bleeding advertisers and users and having all kinds of outages now. Because Elon cocked it up on purpose it seems. Brilliant move!

 

[Ghost Ryder]

Bro, I understand how it works. A few different banks gave him about a third of it and then he also owes Larry Ellison and a Saudi Prince like $7B. Actually, Twitter is on the hook for the amount. Yeah, that Twitter, that’s bleeding advertisers and users and having all kinds of outages now. Because Elon cocked it up on purpose it seems. Brilliant move!

Prior to the take over, Twitter never made a profit, was bleeding cash to the tune of Billions per year. They had no path forward even with all their ad revenue. Elon came in cleaned house and put them on a path to hopefully make a profit next quarter.

You may not agree with his politics or methods, but the man gets results. Seem like other billionaires have enough faith in him to invest that kind of money and continue to invest in his other ventures.

 

[dbsb3233]

I'll take a charger when I need it without a credit card reader over not having a charger there to use at all.

If the requirement slows charger expansions, I'd rather the requirement be dropped. Another app isn't a biggie. But not having a charger were needed is.

 

[Ride_the_lightning]

I'll take a charger when I need it without a credit card reader over not having a charger there to use at all.

If the requirement slows charger expansions, I'd rather the requirement be dropped. Another app isn't a biggie. But not having a charger were needed is.

These things are not mutually exclusive. The tomato vendor at our local pop up farmers market accepts credit cards. Making a custom app is actually HARDER. FFS. Accepting credit cards isn’t slowing down shit.

 

[mateo]

a simple NFC tap reader would fix the problem, but I'm sure that's not allowed in some way or another. Whatever it is, I don't want to swipe a card.

I prefer to tap to pay as well. I don't think a requirement to physically insert or swipe a card is necessary. (I'm referring to common sense, not whatever rules are in place for the funds.) Tap to pay works with phones and cards, and doesn't require apps.

 

[dbsb3233]

You guys are assuming that it's all Elon's money, but it's not. There are lots of Billionaires that got in on the deal. My guess is that they all know a little more about investing than the avg MachE forum user. When it comes to investing, and growing a company, making the hard decision, I'm going to have to go with the richest guy in the world over some random user on the forum. No offense.

Love him or hate him, gotta give credit where credit is due. Elon, by all accounts, is WINNING.

Especially when it comes to DCFC chargers. Their cars are debatable, but their DCFC chargers are at a whole different league above the competition.

 

[dbsb3233]

These things are not mutually exclusive. The tomato vendor at our local pop up farmers market accepts credit cards. Making a custom app is actually HARDER. FFS. Accepting credit cards isn’t slowing down shit.

In the case of Tesla adding CCS to Superchargers, it may very well be though. If the credit card reader requirement disqualifies it from the subsidy, it may disincentivize bothering with meeting the CCS requirement too.

 

[Pushrods&Capacitors]

Prior to the take over, Twitter never made a profit, was bleeding cash to the tune of Billions per year. They had no path forward even with all their ad revenue. Elon came in cleaned house and put them on a path to hopefully make a profit next quarter.

You may not agree with his politics or methods, but the man gets results. Seem like other billionaires have enough faith in him to invest that kind of money and continue to invest in his other ventures.

Twitter has 2-3 years of net profit since 2010, but none since ‘18 or ‘19. Tesla has 3 years of net profit since 2010.

 

[timbop]

You guys are assuming that it's all Elon's money, but it's not. There are lots of Billionaires that got in on the deal. My guess is that they all know a little more about investing than the avg MachE forum user. When it comes to investing, and growing a company, making the hard decision, I'm going to have to go with the richest guy in the world over some random user on the forum. No offense.

Love him or hate him, gotta give credit where credit is due. Elon, by all accounts, is WINNING.

Dude, wipe your chin - you're drooling all over yourself.

Actually, now that I think of it - the Charlie Sheen callback is quite appropriate

 

[grinder]

Prior to the take over, Twitter never made a profit, was bleeding cash to the tune of Billions per year. They had no path forward even with all their ad revenue. Elon came in cleaned house and put them on a path to hopefully make a profit next quarter.

You may not agree with his politics or methods, but the man gets results. Seem like other billionaires have enough faith in him to invest that kind of money and continue to invest in his other ventures.

We hate Tesla on this forum. We don't want to hear anything good. It's Ford vs Chevy all over again ?

 

[Jimrpa]

I really don't blame Tesla, and in a way give them credit for turning down the funding as it would require modifying their charging stall to incorporate a payment system (such as a touch screen). Tesla uses the app to reduce a point of hardware failure on the chargers themselves. Perhaps companies like EA should take notice.

Gas pumps have cc readers and don’t require you to join an app or closed network

 

[Jimrpa]

Exactly this for the skimmer worries. Using a card anywhere is starting to feel archaic... Forgetting your phone nowadays is comparable to forgetting your wallet 15 years ago.




?‍ a simple NFC tap reader would fix the problem, but I'm sure that's not allowed in some way or another. Whatever it is, I don't want to swipe a card.

Welcome to the 21st century. I’m pretty sure all major CC issuers require all new terminals to support tap

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