Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars [Reuters]

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I disabled the internet access on all my cameras (except the doorbell camera) and have them feeding to Blue Iris. I can connect to Blue Irus through the internet and view all my cameras.
My servers run Linux, so BI isn't an option for me.

I have no doubt the CCP is capturing everything they can to try to use it against us.
I mean, this entire thread started with a large US corporation capturing everything they can, and you can bet they'll use every bit of detail against their customers if it comes to it.
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Definitely doing a lot of typing trying to both sides this
I think it is an interesting and troubling story. I just thought the “I’m glad Ford doesn’t do this” might not be factual. Would anyone here stake their life on Ford employees not internally and inappropriately viewing or using driver data? I wouldn’t.
 

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I'm confused. I though Elon Musk bought Twitter not TikTok.
 

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...and I in turn vote to keep our particular algorithm-enhanced and therefore oh-so-comfortable, opinions about other human beings who we almost assuredly have never met, out of this valuable EV-oriented forum.
Just a topical joke, bruh. When I hear a story about inappropriately accessing car videos inside people’s garages, hard to resist. I make jokes as warranted on a bipartisan basis, and I detest tribalism (such as what is often on display vis a vis Mr. Musk and Tesla).
 

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I mean, this entire thread started with a large US corporation capturing everything they can, and you can bet they'll use every bit of detail against their customers if it comes to it.
I don't think this is logical. Tesla is in business to make money, to provide things their customers need. Why would they do anything "against" their customers, when they need their customers to survive and pay their employees?

A few employees abusing their privileges is one thing, but a corporate policy of utilizing data is another. Whatever Tesla corporate is using the data for, they are motivated to use it to benefit their customers in a way that helps them make more money. That is a "win win", as long as they are not violating data use terms and conditions.

The CCP, on the other hand, has an interest in using data against you, against us, and against everything we stand for.

There is a huge difference, IMO.
 


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I don't think this is logical. Tesla is in business to make money, to provide things their customers need. Why would they do anything "against" their customers, when they need their customers to survive and pay their employees?

A few employees abusing their privileges is one thing, but a corporate policy of utilizing data is another. Whatever Tesla corporate is using the data for, they are motivated to use it to benefit their customers in a way that helps them make more money. That is a "win win", as long as they are not violating data use terms and conditions.

The CCP, on the other hand, has an interest in using data against you, against us, and against everything we stand for.

There is a huge difference, IMO.
I don't think anything the CEO of brand-T does is logical. What he does just happens to excite a lot of followers, which makes him money. Logic doesn't apply. Brand-T is motivated by extracting money from people who believe it can do no harm. They don't care about customers. If they did, the behaviors documented in the article wouldn't have happened more than once...in fact, they wouldn't be recording video to a central server at all.
 

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I don't think anything the CEO of brand-T does is logical. What he does just happens to excite a lot of followers, which makes him money. Logic doesn't apply. Brand-T is motivated by extracting money from people who believe it can do no harm. They don't care about customers. If they did, the behaviors documented in the article wouldn't have happened more than once...in fact, they wouldn't be recording video to a central server at all.
Seems like you know him personally. I don't. News media writers are often biased and their reports are often not a good indicator of a person's character, IMO. But whatever. He can take care of himself. He is a little off center, for sure.

Tesla is a business, and in order to make money they have to produce things people voluntarily want to buy. It is in their interest to take care of their customers. Failure to do that will destroy them. I think Tesla's leadership knows that. So far they have done a good job of producing things people want to buy.
 

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No clue why people would think Musk would respect their privacy.

Remember the Tesla that ran into a tree in a neighborhood and caught fire killing a couple people a few years ago?

Musk immediately tweeted details of the crash and details of autopilot and what happened. He won’t even respect privacy when a death occurs!
 

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Seems like you know him personally. I don't. News media writers are often biased and their reports are often not a good indicator of a person's character, IMO. But whatever. He can take care of himself. He is a little off center, for sure.
I don't know him. But I observe his behaviors and his patterns and have been doing so since before he wormed his way into Tesla management. I suppose it's easy to blow his behaviors off as "news media writers," but I think blaming "media" is a lazy response to his real and demonstrated behaviors.

Tesla is a business, and in order to make money they have to produce things people voluntarily want to buy. It is in their interest to take care of their customers. Failure to do that will destroy them. I think Tesla's leadership knows that. So far they have done a good job of producing things people want to buy.
It's pretty naive to believe that businesses always operate in the best interests of their customers...
 

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This is one area I can commend Ford, they take user data privacy much more seriously than Tesla. Some of us have signed up for advanced monitoring, but Ford has strict rules on how that data is used and by whom, and camera footage is not remotely collected to my knowledge. It is only able to be physically downloaded after a major crash, which may require a court order depending on local laws.
I don't have interior cameras.... but I still am so unhappy with the 'carte blanche' TOU that is required to update FordPass that I have refused OTA of both PowerUp, and FordPass.

Ford may or may not 'take our Privacy Seriously', but the way the TOU is written makes me feel like we are being steamrolled.
 

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I don't know him. But I observe his behaviors and his patterns and have been doing so since before he wormed his way into Tesla management.
What behaviors and patterns have you observed?

Didn't he start Tesla? Is that how he wormed his way in, by founding and starting the business? I am confused with this point.

It's pretty naive to believe that businesses always operate in the best interests of their customers...
Any business that doesn't operate in the best interests if their customers will fail. Even those that try really hard to take care of their customers can fail, so purposely operating against their customers just makes it even harder to succeed. Maybe you don't know this because you have never run or managed a business before.
 

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What behaviors and patterns have you observed?

Didn't he start Tesla? Is that how he wormed his way in, by founding and starting the business? I am confused with this point.
No. He joined Tesla a year and a half after its two founders, Eberhard and Tarpenning started the company. About 18 months after they started designing the business, they went out to get series A funding, during which they raised $7.5M in funding, $6.5M of which came from Musk. Around that point, he somehow also got onto the board directors and became Chairman of the Board. Then a few years later, he forced the two founders out. As part of a resulting lawsuit settlement he is legally allowed to call himself a co-founder even though he joined well after the business was founded.

Any business that doesn't operate in the best interests if their customers will fail. Even those that try really hard to take care of their customers can fail, so purposely operating against their customers just makes it even harder to succeed. Maybe you don't know this because you have never run or managed a business before.
I actually own and manage a quite successful business right now.
 

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I mean, this entire thread started with a large US corporation capturing everything they can, and you can bet they'll use every bit of detail against their customers if it comes to it.
The server's base OS has nothing to do with being able to run a program when you can just put it in its own virtual environment. Pro keys are 6 or $7
 

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What behaviors and patterns have you observed?

Didn't he start Tesla? Is that how he wormed his way in, by founding and starting the business? I am confused with this point.
His behavior is that of actually allowing free speech. It's amazing the number of people who want draconian censorship.
Any business that doesn't operate in the best interests if their customers will fail. Even those that try really hard to take care of their customers can fail, so purposely operating against their customers just makes it even harder to succeed. Maybe you don't know this because you have never run or managed a business before.
Most of the well known T1 backbone providers (telco & wireless) co-locate the NSA into their facilities. I have a hard time believing they're helping improve anything or are serving anyone's interests but their own. It's especially true on the wireless side where taxpayer money received by these companies are used to 'purchase' the taxpayer's spectrum only to leave it dark in most areas of the country. Most of the country in terms of land-size is underserved in regards to communications because the FCC has allowed companies to squat on frequencies while simultaneously barring anyone from coming in and lighting them up to provide the taxpayers of that area with services.

All sorts of games and gimmicks are used during the process whereby someone like dish network or sprint can form hundreds if not thousands of LLCs to take advantage of legislation designed to allow smaller operators to light up spectrum in their areas -- once again simply barring a 3rd party from using unlit spectrum. People would have all sorts of connectivity options throughout the country if this wasn't the case.
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