[video] Saying good-bye to Mach N Cheese

[DennisD]

Where I saw validity in the comment made about people being ugly is in the small amount of ad hominem attacks. There's a couple in this thread. Most of the time people use ad hominem attacks because they are extremely childish/uneducated or they have already lost the argument and can't admit defeat.

I don't think it has anything to do with the vehicle or his choices, nor those who disagree with him. That is what forums are for, to discuss differences. Silencing those differences, which we've also seen people lobby the admins to do, is wrong. But it's also wrong, in my opinion, to attack, or mock, people in defense of a vehicle. There are people on this forum who can't handle anyone criticizing the car and will go to great lengths to defend Ford. The only people who I have ever blocked are those who leverage personal attacks, that's where I draw the line.

Some of those who have helped this forum a lot such as @scoopman don't deserve to be mocked or put down because of their choices, they should be praised for their help and wished the best. As for the car it's fair game - agree, disagree, attack it - do whatever you want, it's just a car. Just my 2 cents.

I agree. People on this forum should not be mocked or put down.

I do however caution those that know fully well that if you "trash" a vehicle (and rightly so IMO with this particular car), one should be willing to accept some "blowback".

Imagine this. Let's say I go to a family reunion and there is an Uncle that is not a nice guy. I then walk into the room and say he is the biggest piece of crap I have known. Now everyone in the room knows the Uncle is a piece of crap but if you put your neck out like that, you may get a few disgruntled relatives that don't like hearing that even though they know it to be true.

Once again, I didn't see anything that would rise to the level of discourse but I did see some pushback (as should be expected). People take pride of ownership and some are very loyal to their cars. I know on a few of my posts when I put down the MME, I fully expect someone to challenge me.

In knowing that, I take it in stride and if I don't want to hear "feedback", I simply stay quiet and don't post things.

In any event, I think we agree with the main thrust and that is to stay civil and enjoy the back and forth discussions on this fine forum. ?

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[cvk71]

This ^^^^

I doubt a lot of people would find my Blazer to their liking. Although it was optioned with roll-up windows and a roof, it has no interior insulation, making it very loud inside when the roof is on. It’s got a manual tranny and no A/C. Oh, and it gets 9 city/15 highway. ?‍?

Most people don't understand why I like my 62 Ranchero either so I feel you. If you think the Mach E is bouncy you should go for a ride with me in the 62, lol.

 

[HuntingPudel]

Heh

Most people don't understand why I like my 62 Ranchero either so I feel you. If you think the Mach E is bouncy you should go for a ride with me in the 62, lol.

Heh, at least my ‘72 Blazer has the optional roll-up windows and roof. It has rust-through too! ??

 

[cvk71]

Heh

Heh, at least my ‘72 Blazer has the optional roll-up windows and roof. It has rust-through too! ??

I think wing windows count as AC by the way ?

 

[stealthytolkien]

Where I saw validity in the comment made about people being ugly is in the small amount of ad hominem attacks. There's a couple in this thread. Most of the time people use ad hominem attacks because they are extremely childish/uneducated or they have already lost the argument and can't admit defeat. There's also some sarcasm that isn't marked as sarcasm (/s) and isn't easy to distinguish as such, which some could find to be harsh. I'm guilty of thinking that.

I don't think it has anything to do with the vehicle or his choices, nor those who disagree with him. That is what forums are for, to discuss differences. Silencing those differences, which we've also seen people lobby the admins to do, is wrong. But it's also wrong, in my opinion, to attack, or mock, people in defense of a vehicle. There are people on this forum who can't handle anyone criticizing the car and will go to great lengths to defend Ford. The only people who I have ever blocked are those who leverage personal attacks, that's where I draw the line.

Some of those who have helped this forum a lot such as @scoopman don't deserve to be mocked or put down because of their choices, they should be praised for their help and wished the best. As for the car it's fair game - agree, disagree, attack it - do whatever you want, it's just a car. Just my 2 cents.

Totally agreed and 100% fair. Personal attacks - no place here. Not sure if you saw a comment from me that went in that direction, it’s highly likely to be unintentional but still owes a personal apology to the person on the receiving end. At times, people write stuff quick and without thinking and get on with their lives and in the process hurt someone. That’s not cool at all. But we all believe in second chances. Because we love this pony forum
Cheers mate.

 

[SalsabyJake]

Thanks for the video. I think one big lesson from it is to NOT be an early adopter. I don't think I would buy any new model until it has a few years under its belt. Car companies, like software companies, often let the public Beta test their product! And Ford is grappling with how to do huge software projects now too (the car is a computer running millions of lines of code)! (why Tech companies might do better at EVs ;-) )
I held off buying an EV until this year and my 2023 Mach E (Premium) has been pretty good. They removed the kick to open on the hatch and the hatch requires two presses of the button often. But no other major issues, and my hood opens with a manual cable release (not a solenoid!).

When I held off on an EV,I leased the new model year Escape in 2020 - "built from the ground up" and that is when I learned about waiting several years to get any new model! Software bugs, and failing modules added up to more time in the shop that I liked. And the dealers are just not technically up to the challenge to fix things often.

I don't know how long I'll keep the Mach E. Cars ARE computers now and we don't usually keep those more than 4 years either! But so far, so good, and despite bugs here and there (expected), it's been fun to drive...

Good luck with your new EV! (or is it?). It would be nice to see your experience with that after you drive it for a while too!

 

[Alutacon]

Thank you for pointing me to those threads.

1. Speaker replacement after a certain level tends to generate more placebo pleasure than reality, given that half the job is done by the environment in which the speakers are placed and played in (which you cannot change much unless you mod the entire cabin). Of course, you can choose objectively better speakers and see some gains but I doubt if the difference is substantial in your DIY project given the B&O speakers themselves aren’t bad. They’re just not powered enough but at moderate volume and with some basic eq, they’re just fine. I’m not denying that your upgrade isn’t sounding substantially better. Don’t get me wrong. I just said I have doubts that it isn’t placebo.

2. KW coil - what trim are you making your crap comment about? I doubt it is the GT PE edition. The Magneride suspension that my GT PE has great ride quality - suspension especially…so much so that it rivals some of the more luxury cars I test drove IMHO. I also drove GT and then immediately GT PE and the GT PE almost instantly felt like a different car. Heck my wife didn’t know anything and she was the first one to say how much cushier the second car feels. If you’re talking about non-GTPE trim ride quality, then that’s a completely different story.

1. Placebo! Placebo!

2. Magnetize! Magneride!

 

[ARK]

Thanks for the video. I think one big lesson from it is to NOT be an early adopter. I don't think I would buy any new model until it has a few years under its belt. Car companies, like software companies, often let the public Beta test their product! And Ford is grappling with how to do huge software projects now too (the car is a computer running millions of lines of code)! (why Tech companies might do better at EVs ;-) )
I held off buying an EV until this year and my 2023 Mach E (Premium) has been pretty good. They removed the kick to open on the hatch and the hatch requires two presses of the button often. But no other major issues, and my hood opens with a manual cable release (not a solenoid!).

When I held off on an EV,I leased the new model year Escape in 2020 - "built from the ground up" and that is when I learned about waiting several years to get any new model! Software bugs, and failing modules added up to more time in the shop that I liked. And the dealers are just not technically up to the challenge to fix things often.

I don't know how long I'll keep the Mach E. Cars ARE computers now and we don't usually keep those more than 4 years either! But so far, so good, and despite bugs here and there (expected), it's been fun to drive...

Good luck with your new EV! (or is it?). It would be nice to see your experience with that after you drive it for a while too!

Well I think that sort of hits the nail on the head. If someone prizes or just needs reliability because of where they are in their life, I think a brand new design from a manufacturer is probably not the way to go.

An extreme example of this is with what NASA does. When they launched their Perseverance Mars rover a few years ago, they used a computer chip released in 1997 because reliability trumped all other considerations on a space mission where repair possibility is nil.

Cars aren’t that mission critical to state the obvious, but it’s definitely true that when something new gets released, and component X interacts with component Y when both Z and W conditions happen to be present, you can get elevated failure rates in a way no amount of reasonable/possible internal testing could have caught before the product release.

 

[generaltso]

But no other major issues, and my hood opens with a manual cable release (not a solenoid!).

You mean you just don’t use the solenoid or it doesn’t work?

 

[Hammered]

An extreme example of this is with what NASA does. When they launched their Perseverance Mars rover a few years ago, they used a computer chip released in 1997 because reliability trumped all other considerations on a space mission where repair possibility is nil.

That's a poor example. Nasa used what they started with.

Take the F35 for example. Its central 'brain' has a replacement that's about to be implemented. It's 25x as powerful and 1/4 the cost. In reality it's actually about 1/100th cost because it's a 13th gen intel desktop CPU -- no not even a server variant. Modern hardware isn't unreliable, it's just new.

 

[ARK]

That's a poor example. Nasa used what they started with.

Take the F35 for example. Its central 'brain' has a replacement that's about to be implemented. It's 25x as powerful and 1/4 the cost. In reality it's actually about 1/100th cost because it's a 13th gen intel desktop CPU -- no not even a server variant. Modern hardware isn't unreliable, it's just new.

Well knowing whether a piece of tech is reliable or not is the key thing. Until the item gets some real life usage, it isn’t known how reliable an item will be under all scenarios, particularly the rare, unusual, and unanticipated ones. I don’t know when the JPL team finalized the design for the Perseverance, but that project started in 2012, and if the chip they would use was a Day 1 decision, they still decided to go with a 15 year-old chip in 2012.

I don’t know about the F35 specifically, but are you certain? This article seems to be talking about that change, but it’s from 2018, while Intel 13th gen launched last year.

 

[SalsabyJake]

You mean you just don’t use the solenoid or it doesn’t work?

Good question: I guess the solenoid is there since there is an open frunk button on my screen. But I usually just pull the handle near the door - that uses a cable to release the frunk (have to pull it twice to fully release it)...

 

[generaltso]

Good question: I guess the solenoid is there since there is an open frunk button on my screen. But I usually just pull the handle near the door - that uses a cable to release the frunk (have to pull it twice to fully release it)...

Don’t tell @Jimrpa.

 

[SalsabyJake]

You mean you just don’t use the solenoid or it doesn’t work?

Oops my bad. The solenoid is there since there is a screen button to open the frunk. I've just been using the mechanically linked unlock lever near the door....

 

[Hammered]

Well knowing whether a piece of tech is reliable or not is the key thing. Until the item gets some real life usage, it isn’t known how reliable an item will be under all scenarios, particularly the rare, unusual, and unanticipated ones. I don’t know when the JPL team finalized the design for the Perseverance, but that project started in 2012, and if the chip they would use was a Day 1 decision, they still decided to go with a 15 year-old chip in 2012.

I don’t know about the F35 specifically, but are you certain? This article seems to be talking about that change, but it’s from 2018, while Intel 13th gen launched last year.

The first test article was delivered last year, but its design is modular and the company making it keeps bumping the CPU. They started with 11th gen and continued to validate further models. It's not even a 'high-end' unit. Just a 4 core config running a hypervisor relying on intel VT. The underlying architecture allows them to progress with easier compute upgrades in the future.

The goal is to be able to side load VMs being able to utilize software in a sandbox of sorts without affecting critical systems. Kind of in the style of pilots using ipads in cockpits despite not being an "aviation grade" component / software.

Using old hardware in Nasa's case doesn't buy them reliability, but can cost them on the development side due to outdated code architecture. For the same energy costs, they could have put multiple redundant systems in a smaller package. The little helicopter for instance has much more modern hardware on it and has exceeded all expectations.

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