Ford adapters for Tesla charging stations?

[Maquis]

https://fordauthority.com/2023/05/all-current-ford-ev-owners-will-get-tesla-nacs-adapter/

“We’re going to ship an adapter to everyone who’s bought a Ford EV,” Farley said. “This is not just for the future, it’s for all the people who already bought our vehicles. So they’ll get an adapter from Ford, they go on FordPass, they pick the payment option they want, all the billing is the same as it is today, so it’s going to be super easy.”

Which is why I suspect the only way you'll be able to use the SC network is via FordPass and ford is going to be making back a bit of the adapter cost, those adapters will be 100% passive so they have no electronics in them.

I’m familiar with that one. “Free” is not mentioned.

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[briankwest]

I’m familiar with that one. “Free” is not mentioned.

It's implied... we'll see how this shakes out.

 

[helium89]

I must be missing something significant. I can understand Ford, GM, etc. EV owners using Tesla chargers AFTER the manufacturers include both the Tesla connector and the software interface w/in the EV. However, and this is what I'm missing, for EVs with non-Tesla connectors and software interface, how will these EVs be able to interface with a Tesla charger, and thus receive power?

My understanding is that NACS uses the CCS communication protocol over a Tesla connector. When the adapters come out and Tesla does whatever it needs to do to get its chargers ready, the adapter will connect the communication and power plugs on the charger to the communication and DC ports on your car, payment will occur via plug and charge (or, I would assume, Tesla’s app), and the car and charger will communicate using CCS. If they don’t run into a bunch of bugs resulting from slight differences in CCS implementations (based on the issues cars have communicating with the current CCS networks, that’s a big if), it should be a pretty painless process.

 

[Deleted member 16048]

https://fordauthority.com/2023/05/all-current-ford-ev-owners-will-get-tesla-nacs-adapter/

“We’re going to ship an adapter to everyone who’s bought a Ford EV,” Farley said. “This is not just for the future, it’s for all the people who already bought our vehicles. So they’ll get an adapter from Ford, they go on FordPass, they pick the payment option they want, all the billing is the same as it is today, so it’s going to be super easy.”

Which is why I suspect the only way you'll be able to use the SC network is via FordPass and ford is going to be making back a bit of the adapter cost, those adapters will be 100% passive so they have no electronics in them.

There was never a price mentioned or even the word "free". If you have to "read into it" that isn't a promise at all. It's very likely there will be a cost to purchase an adapter.

 

[generaltso]

https://fordauthority.com/2023/05/all-current-ford-ev-owners-will-get-tesla-nacs-adapter/

“We’re going to ship an adapter to everyone who’s bought a Ford EV,” Farley said. “This is not just for the future, it’s for all the people who already bought our vehicles. So they’ll get an adapter from Ford, they go on FordPass, they pick the payment option they want, all the billing is the same as it is today, so it’s going to be super easy.”

That's not a press release.

 

[briankwest]

There was never a price mentioned or even the word "free". If you have to "read into it" that isn't a promise at all. It's very likely there will be a cost to purchase an adapter.

Yah, seems some have misspoke and caused confusion, It does appear we'd be paying for those, but I don't care, they can't be that expensive.

 

[briankwest]

That's not a press release.

Its quoting the CEO, again, I feel he may have misspoke, and clarity will only come with time, I totally expect to pay for adapters.

 

[generaltso]

Its quoting the CEO, again, I feel he may have misspoke, and clarity will only come with time, I totally expect to pay for adapters.

Yup, which is very different than a press release. This was discussed ad-nauseam right after the comments were made in May. Since then, there has been evidence that the adapters will not be free. We shall see.

 

[VaporTrails]

Wait, you’re saying you can’t change the port to the Tesla port if it already has the CCS port, yet I can use a simple adapter? Well, I kind of understand what you’re saying it doesn’t really make sense.

So you are suggesting that the adapter could replace/ be integrated into the charge port? Interesting approach. I’m not sure there is room, or if Ford would be interested (in the liability of) in making that part. The CANBUS would effectively birth a new module to do this, I believe. I would need to peer at the wiring diagram, but I think there would also have to be NEW contactors to keep DC voltage away from the NACS pins at all times until the EVSE confirms those are DC pins and not AC pins.

 

[Maquis]

So you are suggesting that the adapter could replace/ be integrated into the charge port? Interesting approach.

If that was done, L2 charging would not be possible. The adapter for DCFC won’t have any connection to the J1772 AC pins.

 

[VaporTrails]

If that was done, L2 charging would not be possible. The adapter for DCFC won’t have any connection to the J1772 AC pins.

Agree, so it is not a dumb adapter at that point, but a whole new contactor array. Meh. That is a fast way to add weight, versus designing it into the car, which was the point in a previous post on this thread.

 

[briankwest]

So you are suggesting that the adapter could replace/ be integrated into the charge port? Interesting approach. I’m not sure there is room, or if Ford would be interested (in the liability of) in making that part. The CANBUS would effectively birth a new module to do this, I believe. I would need to peer at the wiring diagram, but I think there would also have to be NEW contactors to keep DC voltage away from the NACS pins at all times until the EVSE confirms those are DC pins and not AC pins.

I had thought that, but their isn't enough room as you pointed out and you have to remove it to get back to the AC pins because that adapter won't flip the pins from DC to AC.

 

[Fremont Kid]

My understanding is that NACS uses the CCS communication protocol over a Tesla connector. When the adapters come out and Tesla does whatever it needs to do to get its chargers ready, the adapter will connect the communication and power plugs on the charger to the communication and DC ports on your car, payment will occur via plug and charge (or, I would assume, Tesla’s app), and the car and charger will communicate using CCS. If they don’t run into a bunch of bugs resulting from slight differences in CCS implementations (based on the issues cars have communicating with the current CCS networks, that’s a big if), it should be a pretty painless process.

"...and Tesla does whatever it needs to do to get its chargers ready..." This is the proverbial technical and process black hole that I'm missing.

As we used to say in IT when a key piece of architecture or process flow is missing "That is where the magic happens."

 

[AZBill]

I must be missing something significant. I can understand Ford, GM, etc. EV owners using Tesla chargers AFTER the manufacturers include both the Tesla connector and the software interface w/in the EV. However, and this is what I'm missing, for EVs with non-Tesla connectors and software interface, how will these EVs be able to interface with a Tesla charger, and thus receive power?

Tesla supports CCS protocol in the V3 and V4 chargers, that is how the cars work today on Magic Dock stations. There is nothing "special" that has to be done by Ford, other than supporting plug and charge. The V4 stations even have CC readers, so Fordpass is not going to be required.

 

[d^2x/dt^2]

I'm more interested in how easily we will be able to connect with our charge ports in a different location than the Teslas.

I'm glad to have the extra options, even if there is some cost associated with it.

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