"Ford Options" Mach-E Lease vs standard lease - similarities and differences

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Here's a new Fully Charged episode about Gridserve's Forecourt.

Very cool! I hope to see more of these popping up!
Agreed. I posted that elsewhere. You can almost hear Robert Llewellyn drool as he gushes over everything the place has to offer ?
 

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So here are my calculations on the FE financing with Options. Perhaps experts could comment on whether this is the right calculation?
MSRP58,700.00
Rapid Red Option-
X-Plan Pricing with incentives55,309.00
Destination and Delivery1,100.00
Cost of car56,409.00
CA Sales Tax at 9.5%5,254.36
Doc Fees55.00
Final price61,718.36
48-mo Lease
Price after 48 mo @38 percent @ 7500 miles21,435.42
Money Down/Trade-in8,000.00
Amount financed32,282.94
4 years at 2.2% (Approx: this is simple interest)2,840.90
Total payments35,123.83
Monthly731.75
 

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So here are my calculations on the FE financing with Options. Perhaps experts could comment on whether this is the right calculation?
MSRP58,700.00
Rapid Red Option-
X-Plan Pricing with incentives55,309.00
Destination and Delivery1,100.00
Cost of car56,409.00
CA Sales Tax at 9.5%5,254.36
Doc Fees55.00
Final price61,718.36
48-mo Lease
Price after 48 mo @38 percent @ 7500 miles21,435.42
Money Down/Trade-in8,000.00
Amount financed32,282.94
4 years at 2.2% (Approx: this is simple interest)2,840.90
Total payments35,123.83
Monthly731.75
I'd say you'r3e in the ballpark depending on DMV fees and acquisition. I think Ford lease acquisition is in the $600-700 range but not sure what they do on options. If you add that and $250 DMV fees it's probably closer to $760/mo
 
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So here are my calculations on the FE financing with Options. Perhaps experts could comment on whether this is the right calculation?
MSRP58,700.00
Rapid Red Option-
X-Plan Pricing with incentives55,309.00
Destination and Delivery1,100.00
Cost of car56,409.00
CA Sales Tax at 9.5%5,254.36
Doc Fees55.00
Final price61,718.36
48-mo Lease
Price after 48 mo @38 percent @ 7500 miles21,435.42
Money Down/Trade-in8,000.00
Amount financed32,282.94
4 years at 2.2% (Approx: this is simple interest)2,840.90
Total payments35,123.83
Monthly731.75
A couple of things to keep in mind:
  • I believe the balloon note is MSRP x residual %, so using your numbers it would be $58,700 x 38% = $22,306
  • The 2.25% Options rate is the Tier 0/1 rate. If you score lower (Tier 2-5) then the rate will be higher.
  • There is no acquisition fee on Ford Options (because it's a retail installment contract)
  • Options is 47 or 35 monthly payments + 1 balloon note to equal a 48 or 36 month term
 


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I do know for a fact that say you really drive 7500 miles but you sign the lease for 10,000 miles Ford will refund you back at the time of the turn in for extra miles not used. In short it is better to OVER estimate then UNDER. In the contract you are paying miles at a cheaper rate then at the end. This also affects the balloon note. I did it at 19,500 miles because I can easily do 25,000 miles a year. Doing this the balloon note I think is in the $17,000 range. Now if the car is worth more than 17,000 then I get the increased value on my next car or I can refinance the car at $17000 which will make my payment what?? $300-400 a month maybe??? I just read a forum somewhere that a person posted that his Tesla was still going strong at 250,000 miles. My thought is that the MME is good for at least 250-500,000 miles.
 
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I do know for a fact that say you really drive 7500 miles but you sign the lease for 10,000 miles Ford will refund you back at the time of the turn in for extra miles not used. In short it is better to OVER estimate then UNDER. In the contract you are paying miles at a cheaper rate then at the end. This also affects the balloon note. I did it at 19,500 miles because I can easily do 25,000 miles a year. Doing this the balloon note I think is in the $17,000 range. Now if the car is worth more than 17,000 then I get the increased value on my next car or I can refinance the car at $17000 which will make my payment what?? $300-400 a month maybe??? I just read a forum somewhere that a person posted that his Tesla was still going strong at 250,000 miles. My thought is that the MME is good for at least 250-500,000 miles.
Ford reimburses for unused miles? I have never had that on a lease for sure.
 

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I do know for a fact that say you really drive 7500 miles but you sign the lease for 10,000 miles Ford will refund you back at the time of the turn in for extra miles not used. In short it is better to OVER estimate then UNDER. In the contract you are paying miles at a cheaper rate then at the end. This also affects the balloon note. I did it at 19,500 miles because I can easily do 25,000 miles a year. Doing this the balloon note I think is in the $17,000 range. Now if the car is worth more than 17,000 then I get the increased value on my next car or I can refinance the car at $17000 which will make my payment what?? $300-400 a month maybe??? I just read a forum somewhere that a person posted that his Tesla was still going strong at 250,000 miles. My thought is that the MME is good for at least 250-500,000 miles.
Not seeing this on Ford's web site. Can you point us to a copy of a lease agreement where this is spelled out?

https://www.ford.com/finance/lease-end/wear-and-use
 

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You would get a mileage refund only if you purchased extra miles upfront at inception and did not use them.
Right. This seems much more inline with industry standards. I typically get 10k miles/year and barely use more than 8k of that a year. But never been compensated for that. Maybe I should start getting 7500 and buying overage
 
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Right. This seems much more inline with industry standards. I typically get 10k miles/year and barely use more than 8k of that a year. But never been compensated for that. Maybe I should start getting 7500 and buying overage
Unfortunately that plan would not work. You can only purchase extra mileage on top of the 19,500 mileage a year option (and only at inception).

Ford Mustang Mach-E "Ford Options" Mach-E Lease vs standard lease - similarities and differences 1607802680040
 

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Unfortunately that plan would not work. You can only purchase extra mileage on top of the 19,500 mileage a year option (and only at inception).

Ford Mustang Mach-E "Ford Options" Mach-E Lease vs standard lease - similarities and differences 1607802680040
I guess I’ve never considered someone would lease a car and drive is almost 20k/year. Would think the residuals would make it as expensive or more than purchase.

To each their own
 
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Ford reimburses for unused miles? I have never had that on a lease for sure.
when I first reserved my FE through Galpin my best friend who is in management told me that. It was always that way. FYI. He said it is standard but that most people go over miles or if under they just add it as a down payment on the new car. Same thing for Ford warranty. If you have extra money on it then it also goes towards the new car down payment. I have seen that myself way too many times. I have never leased so I am just going by what he told me.

if leasing I would verify that info for sure.

thr reason it came up is because theoretically if I decide to keep the car for say 250,000 miles and I am self employed so money per month is a MAJOR factor. Doing Ford Options then a loan essentially gives me a 8 year loan.Term is irrelevant but monthly is EVERYTHING
 
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There are 84 month program rates published in the U.S. They are harder to qualify for than 72 months, so 84 is usually not advertised.
As automakers push prices of vehicles higher faster than wage growth they need to do this to continue to move metal. It is unfortunate, but the vast majority of Americans have been duped into thinking that living with debt is normal, and only look at the monthly payments.
 
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when I first reserved my FE through Galpin my best friend who is in management told me that. It was always that way. FYI. He said it is standard but that most people go over miles or if under they just add it as a down payment on the new car. Same thing for Ford warranty. If you have extra money on it then it also goes towards the new car down payment. I have seen that myself way too many times. I have never leased so I am just going by what he told me.

if leasing I would verify that info for sure.

thr reason it came up is because theoretically if I decide to keep the car for say 250,000 miles and I am self employed so money per month is a MAJOR factor. Doing Ford Options then a loan essentially gives me a 8 year loan.Term is irrelevant but monthly is EVERYTHING
I’d refer to @hybrid2bev post above. I just turned in a lease that was exactly the scenario you described. I had a lease for 10kmiles/year and turned it in after 3 years with 22.5k miles. No refund.
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