Tesla recalls 2 million vehicles over autopilot safety concerns

[AllenXS]

I don't know why they're here other than to troll and try to convert us. It's like Jehovah's Witnesses fruitlessly beating on my door.

I'll shut up now.

Please don’t

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[DevSecOps]

And if BC causes issues then Ford needs to address that. In the meantime please dont kill me or my family if you decide to use AP or FSD. Thank you.

The hyperbole and tribalism on this forum is getting ridiculous.

Most all FSD deaths have been crashing into stationary vehicles. Please explain to me how BC or BCHF would not do the same? Please?? It's a limitation of almost all driver assist systems currently on the market. BC would crash into a stationary Fire Truck in the middle of a lane, just as would a Tesla. Tesla's vision system should actually perform better.

If you're really interested in keeping the roads safe then you should be for additional enhancements to the technology. Tesla is leading the space in these enhancements. Early versions of it were bad, I think everyone can admit that.

 

[MacherAWD]

The hyperbole and tribalism on this forum is getting ridiculous.

Most all FSD deaths have been crashing into stationary vehicles. Please explain to me how BC or BCHF would not do the same? Please?? It's a limitation of almost all driver assist systems currently on the market. BC would crash into a stationary Fire Truck in the middle of a lane, just as would a Tesla. Tesla's vision system should actually perform better.

If you're really interested in keeping the roads safe then you should be for additional enhancements to the technology. Tesla is leading the space in these enhancements. Early versions of it were bad, I think everyone can admit that.

Honestly mostly for Tesla it is rhetoric, call it assist, not auto pilot or FSD, dont have your CEO smoking weed in the back seat while touting how amazing it is.

Tesla has chosen to create a culture of people who overstate/over-estimate their cars ability and that is killing people. My wife doesnt use BC cause she doesnt trust it. I monitor this forum, other areas on how it is performing. If it starts having issues I will stop using it with my kids.

If owned a Tesla I would not use those systems with my kids in the car as they are not safe enough to an outside observer. Yes you can lead/develop faster if you consider accidents and deaths bugs to fix.

 

[The Electric Duo]

Also the monitor I addressed in my first post to you. It is only enabled on FSD. It's not enabled on AP, EAP or NoA.

According to the Model Y manual:
The cabin camera can determine driver inattentiveness and provide you with audible alerts, to remind you to keep your eyes on the road when Autopilot is engaged.

 

[DevSecOps]

Honestly mostly for Tesla it is rhetoric, call it assist, not auto pilot or FSD, dont have your CEO smoking weed in the back seat while touting how amazing it is.

Tesla has chosen to create a culture of people who overstate/over-estimate their cars ability and that is killing people. My wife doesnt use BC cause she doesnt trust it. I monitor this forum, other areas on how it is performing. If it starts having issues I will stop using it with my kids.

If owned a Tesla I would not use those systems with my kids in the car as they are not safe enough to an outside observer. Yes you can lead/develop faster if you consider accidents and deaths bugs to fix.

You're not getting it obviously. BC has the same issues as AP. Neither will prevent you from crashing into a stopped vehicle. So maybe you should stop using BC.

Those are just the facts. That's my biggest issue with people here. Be honest and be factual. Stop the hyperbole because you don't like Tesla. I think they are ugly, I don't agree with much of what Elon does, but I don't let that affect my judgement and make me say bat shit crazy things.

BTW I agree 100% that the naming convention of AP and FSD is very misleading and should be changed to prevent confusion. I realize it's a marketing tactic but it's deceptive.

 

[DevSecOps]

According to the Model Y manual:
The cabin camera can determine driver inattentiveness and provide you with audible alerts, to remind you to keep your eyes on the road when Autopilot is engaged.

Ok well I'm telling you that it's just FSD that uses it for now. Which is why you could cover it. You never enabled FSD in your video.

 

[ShaggySS]

It’s not a RECALL it’s an OTA software update. Damn clickbait thread title.

 

[The Electric Duo]

Ok well I'm telling you that it's just FSD that uses it for now. Which is why you could cover it. You never enabled FSD in your video.

I'm just quoting word for word what it says in the manual. If the manual is incorrect, then that is a big issue that Tesla should address.

 

[MacherAWD]

You're not getting it obviously. BC has the same issues as AP. Neither will prevent you from crashing into a stopped vehicle. So maybe you should stop using BC.

Those are just the facts. That's my biggest issue with people here. Be honest and be factual. Stop the hyperbole because you don't like Tesla. I think they are ugly, I don't agree with much of what Elon does, but I don't let that affect my judgement and make me say bat shit crazy things.

BTW I agree 100% that the naming convention of AP and FSD is very misleading and should be changed to prevent confusion. I realize it's a marketing tactic but it's deceptive.

BC only works on mapped highways, not a lot of stopped cars. You can enable some features on smaller roads but I dont do that and Ford doesnt advertise that much.

And again, show me documented cases of BC crashes and I will revise my personal risk model and how I use it.

 

[The Electric Duo]

It’s not a RECALL it’s an OTA software update. Damn clickbait thread title.

That's what it is called by NHTSA and Tesla. I agree that there should be an update of the terminology or some distinction, but that title isn't clickbait.

Here is the page from Tesla about the recall:
https://www.tesla.com/support/vehicle-firmware-prevent-autosteer-misuse

 

[Ghost Ryder]

I hope you guys realize the impact that this will have on all vehicles. Tesla FSD is by far the most annoying system for punishment and for alertness on the market. I've driven a lot of driver assist equipped vehicles and none nag and punish you quite as much as Tesla.

There's a huge misconception about how you can sleep with FSD on etc. While that was true early on, it's not even remotely close to how it is today. I wouldn't be surprised if BCHF is the next on the chopping block because of this.

Here's a rundown of how FSD and their driver assist actually work:

• Very Annoying Torque Monitoring (there is no hands free at all with Tesla)
• Eye and Face monitoring
• Not paying attention will get you a strike. 5 Strike and FSD is taken away for 2 weeks.
• Going outside of a line more than a couple times will disable lane keep

It's sensitivity is far worse than the MME. So, cheer all you want, but don't be surprised if it trickles down now.



Because in the video you only use AutoPilot. There's no monitoring for face or eyes on AutoPilot. It's only for FSD.

Tesla has AP, Enhanced AP, NoA and FSD. They are all different, but people who don't know any better tend to lump them all into the same basket. I can tell what you're using because of the display on the left. FSD has a totally different display.

Just stop it Tesla fanboi. How dare you bring in facts into this Tesla hate fest.

 

[DevSecOps]

BC only works on mapped highways, not a lot of stopped cars. You can enable some features on smaller roads but I dont do that and Ford doesnt advertise that much.

And again, show me documented cases of BC crashes and I will revise my personal risk model and how I use it.

Most of the AP accidents have happened vs emergency or road construction vehicles. The technology is worse with Ford because there's no visual identification of the vehicles in the road. That's just factual. A MME with BC enabled will crash into a stationary fire truck providing services on the highway. I guarantee it.

Again, if we take statistics... you know facts.

Tesla averages 1 AP accident per 4.41M miles driven on AP.

BC, according to the last known report I can find, has 4.5M miles driven in total. So has there been at least 1 accident with BC enabled. I bet there has.



All I'm saying is that those championing more restrictions will see it trickle down to BC and other driver assist features. Ford doesn't punish anyone, yet, but Tesla does. It's annoying.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

Boy, the Drudge Report is really piling on...

it’s funny. The left hate Elon and The right hate Evs. So who are buying all these teslas?

 

[Ghost Ryder]

ChatGPT joins the fray...

Take that, Grok!

Does Tesla have a new teleport feature now? Looks like the model x materialize in the guardrail

 

[heisnuts]

Honestly mostly for Tesla it is rhetoric, call it assist, not auto pilot or FSD, dont have your CEO smoking weed in the back seat while touting how amazing it is.

Tesla has chosen to create a culture of people who overstate/over-estimate their cars ability and that is killing people. My wife doesnt use BC cause she doesnt trust it. I monitor this forum, other areas on how it is performing. If it starts having issues I will stop using it with my kids.

If owned a Tesla I would not use those systems with my kids in the car as they are not safe enough to an outside observer. Yes you can lead/develop faster if you consider accidents and deaths bugs to fix.

No matter what they call it, I always look at it as drivers assist, and that is how I use it. I find the system comes in very useful on long highway drives and on city streets with low speed limits that are heavily enforced. However, I never ignore what is going on in front of the car, meaning I am always paying attention to traffic conditions and am always ready to intervene if needed. While there are not a lot of times intervention is required, it only takes one time to not be paying attention that causes stories like you read here.

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