Tesla recalls 2 million vehicles over autopilot safety concerns

[heisnuts]

Because of my age and disabilities, I am really saddened to see the technology failing. I could benefit from a flawless self-driving car, especially for city use. My days behind the wheel are numbered.

Uber & Lyft have that system set up for you in the Las Vegas area. You just need the app on your phone to summon a driver.

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[superdave80]

it’s funny. The left hate Elon and The right hate Evs. So who are buying all these teslas?

The big chunk of Americans who aren't actually far left or far right, but are able to think for themselves without having to follow Fox News or MSNBC to get their latest opinion.

 

[MellowJohnny]

If you think, at this point it time, that the technology in any car can do a better job of driving than you can (assuming some level of actual competence), there is a Darwin Award waiting for you down the road....

 

[zvez]

If you think, at this point it time, that the technology in any car can do a better job of driving than you can (assuming some level of actual competence), there is a Darwin Award waiting for you down the road....

yep, I don't have faith in current tech on this. For it to work it has to work 100% of the time, even a tiny percent of not working and someone can get killed. I guess I don't understand why people want to get as far away from driving a vehicle as they can. I thoroughly enjoy driving, riding my motorcycle.

 

[MacherAWD]

Most of the AP accidents have happened vs emergency or road construction vehicles. The technology is worse with Ford because there's no visual identification of the vehicles in the road. That's just factual. A MME with BC enabled will crash into a stationary fire truck providing services on the highway. I guarantee it.

Again, if we take statistics... you know facts.

Tesla averages 1 AP accident per 4.41M miles driven on AP.

BC, according to the last known report I can find, has 4.5M miles driven in total. So has there been at least 1 accident with BC enabled. I bet there has.



All I'm saying is that those championing more restrictions will see it trickle down to BC and other driver assist features. Ford doesn't punish anyone, yet, but Tesla does. It's annoying.

On new, unproven tech on our roads I am fine with a cautious more restrictive approach.

 

[Tha_Ape]

If you think, at this point it time, that the technology in any car can do a better job of driving than you can (assuming some level of actual competence), there is a Darwin Award waiting for you down the road....

I have a Tesla and tried FSD beta for a month. I had a long road trip and said "why not?".

On the highway it was like any other L2 system except it would change lanes to get around slow people. My gripe was that it would want to hang out in the 2nd lane from the right, presumably to avoid merging traffic. The problem is if I'm going 75 in a 65 riding in the left lane of a 2 lane highway, it upsets anyone going faster behind me. I'd have to constantly tell it "not" to do that. Legally it wasn't doing anything wrong other than speeding but it's not the way I'd drive.

In the "city"... holy crap. Not relaxing at all, its like a 15yr old with a learners permit. You have to constantly watch that it doesn't do something stupid. It was not relaxing in the slightest bit. It's better than any other system, but it's got a ways to go.

All that said. I've riden with worse drivers ?

 

[Mach1E]

The hyperbole and tribalism on this forum is getting ridiculous.

Most all FSD deaths have been crashing into stationary vehicles. Please explain to me how BC or BCHF would not do the same? Please?? It's a limitation of almost all driver assist systems currently on the market. BC would crash into a stationary Fire Truck in the middle of a lane, just as would a Tesla. Tesla's vision system should actually perform better.

If you're really interested in keeping the roads safe then you should be for additional enhancements to the technology. Tesla is leading the space in these enhancements. Early versions of it were bad, I think everyone can admit that.

Except we haven’t had Mach E’s crashing into stationary vehicles, let alone MULTIPLE incidents.

My bet is the reason has nothing to do with how well autopilot or BC works.

It’s more about the exact reason for the recall-

One system (BC) forces the driver to pay attention and cannot be tricked.

The other can be tricked and you can pay zero attention for 30 seconds or more.

Thus the recall, on ALL years of Teslas. Even if the new ones are “better,” with driver monitoring, the older ones aren’t.

 

[Mach1E]

it’s funny. The left hate Elon and The right hate Evs. So who are buying all these teslas?

Everyone hates Walmart but we all shop there anyways. ?‍

People tend to be quite hypocritical when money is involved. That’s why they say “talk is cheap.” ?

 

[BigMach-E]

Perhaps this will finally be their "Jonestown" moment. I'll send the plane with the Congressional delegation for the evac.

And I'll shut up now.

You keep saying that, I don’t think you know what it means. ?

 

[BigMach-E]

Everyone hates Walmart but we all shop there anyways. ?‍

People tend to be quite hypocritical when money is involved. That’s why they say “talk is cheap.” ?

I don’t.

 

[Mach1E]

I don’t.

You should! Great everyday low prices and the Walmart grocery pickup is a huge time saver. ?

 

[BigMach-E]

You should! Great everyday low prices and the Walmart grocery pickup is a huge time saver. ?

No.

 

[DevSecOps]

The other can be tricked and you can pay zero attention for 30 seconds or more.

Thus the recall, on ALL years of Teslas. Even if the new ones are “better,” with driver monitoring, the older ones aren’t.

I think everyone would agree that the old way of Tesla monitoring was bad. No one will dispute that except for the idiots who used it improperly.

But that's not at all how it is now. Technology changes, enchantments and safety features are added. A lot of people are describing the way Tesla did things many years ago. I'm all for updating those cars.

I can tell you from driving both the MachE and The M3P that I would prefer the nagging of the MME over the M3P in it's current iteration. If it's going to be even worse yet then it will become almost unusable. There's many many documents complains about how Tesla punishes people for hands not being in the wheel when in fact they are. If there's going to be more restrictions then I can see hands free as a thing of the past.

You and others continue to shout that BC hasn't had accidents. That's just not correct and based on miles driven I bet it's not much different than Tesla. You have to compare them equally. There's a lot lot more Teslas on the road vs MachEs.

 

[Mach1E]

I think everyone would agree that the old way of Tesla monitoring was bad. No one will dispute that except for the idiots who used it improperly.

But that's not at all how it is now. Technology changes, enchantments and safety features are added. A lot of people are describing the way Tesla did things many years ago. I'm all for updating those cars.

I can tell you from driving both the MachE and The M3P that I would prefer the nagging of the MME over the M3P in it's current iteration. If it's going to be even worse yet then it will become almost unusable. There's many many documents complains about how Tesla punishes people for hands not being in the wheel when in fact they are. If there's going to be more restrictions then I can see hands free as a thing of the past.

You and others continue to shout that BC hasn't had accidents. That's just not correct and based on miles driven I bet it's not much different than Tesla. You have to compare them equally. There's a lot lot more Teslas on the road vs MachEs.

It’s not a question about which nagging system is more annoying. It’s about which is more effective.

This is the issue- (from the article).

“In 2021, an investigation by Car and Driver found that it took between 25 to 40 seconds for some vehicles to flash a warning when drivers removed hands from the wheel, depending on the model. If drivers didn’t respond, some cars would continue for another 30 seconds before braking. At highway speeds, this means that the Tesla system could be running without driver engagement for up to a mile. In extreme cases, drivers have been caught illegally sitting in the back seat while Autopilot was switched on.”

 

[DevSecOps]

It’s not a question about which nagging system is more annoying. It’s about which is more effective.

This is the issue- (from the article).

“In 2021, an investigation by Car and Driver found that it took between 25 to 40 seconds for some vehicles to flash a warning when drivers removed hands from the wheel, depending on the model. If drivers didn’t respond, some cars would continue for another 30 seconds before braking. At highway speeds, this means that the Tesla system could be running without driver engagement for up to a mile. In extreme cases, drivers have been caught illegally sitting in the back seat while Autopilot was switched on.”

Which is exactly the reason I prefer the system with Rivian where the hands on wheel is done by capacitive touch vs torque. The torque system can't be used effectively. I've made it clear many times in other posts that capacitive is the way to go.

But if the argument is that the system takes a long time to detect no hands, then how does that fair for hands free BC? Do you see my point? If the feds are going to require torque then my bet is that it will trickle down to BC.

I can tell you that if I pick up my phone while using FSD I'm alerted to pay attention in less than 5 seconds. The current system with Tesla is effective, the old way years ago, not so much. I wouldn't pay $800 for BCHF because my bet is it's next.

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