CrossClimate 2 (vs Pilot Sport All Seasons) - How much of a range hit?

[pdxzzr]

I just crossed over 45K miles on the OEM tires (FE AWD). Even though there appears to be quite a bit of tread left I think it's time for me to think about planning for their replacement. I've landed on going with either the CrossClimate 2 or the Pilot Sport All Seasons.

The Pilot A/S seam like a great upgrade over the OEM Primacy while still maintaining the stock handling and range characteristics. However, I'm leaning towards the CrossClimate2's because they're winter peak rated for the occasions I get snow or go up to the mountains in the winter, which isn't enough to justify a separate set of tires. For anyone that has them, what is your experience with range hit, and noise, especially if you kept the OEM size?

I'm asking because I've seem some posts saying there is a range hit, but it seems they also upsized to 245s so it isn't clear on an apples-apples comparison (this is also true of posts where folks went with the Pilot A/S.

Thanks in advance!

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[ReverendPete]

I would be interested in CrossClimate 2 tires as well, because I have them on my Highlander Hybrid, and they are REALLY good in the snow! But if I load them in Big O Tires online configuration tool with my MME selected (225/55R19), they show "Load Range/Index does not meet requirements for a 2023 Ford Mustang Mach-E"

 

[nuMach]

not just about snow traction.

perhaps even more so about tire compound's grip on even bare pavement in the cold.

GT 5.0, snows over summers was HUGE just to have it hook up on cold days from stop.
RWD only and so much torque was very managable with the XIces.

Think A/S is a compromise over dedicated sets, but the cold weather performance is the key metric for me.

So far, the primacy's on my AWD have been great on bare roads, though only good in the snow even with AWD, vs how my old X-Ices really took to the snow RWD only.

I'll be in the same place as you when the primacy's are mile'd out. Looking at a better tire for year round use, though the primacys have served well so far.

Withe the seasonal snow amounts where i live, a good set of all seasons are enough considering AWD

 

[pdxzzr]

I would be interested in CrossClimate 2 tires as well, because I have them on my Highlander Hybrid, and they are REALLY good in the snow! But if I load them in Big O Tires online configuration tool with my MME selected (225/55R19), they show "Load Range/Index does not meet requirements for a 2023 Ford Mustang Mach-E"

Discount Tire and Costco both show CrossClimate2 as an option.

 

[pdxzzr]

Think A/S is a compromise over dedicated sets, but the cold weather performance is the key metric for me.

So far, the primacy's on my AWD have been great on bare roads, though only good in the snow even with AWD, vs how my old X-Ices really took to the snow RWD only.

Any given solution is a compromise of some sort. The OEM Primacy's have been perfectly ok most of the time for my driving style and conditions, and I don't need or have the room to maintain two or more sets of tires for year round use.

The Pilot A/S and CC2s seem like a notch up over the Primacy's in just about every respect I've read but I have a preference for the snowflake because I like or need to have a bit more traction in the winter.

At the same time I read somewhere about a 4% mileage hit with the CC2s, but that might have been with a 245 instead of the stock 225 size profile. That 4% isn't something that necessarily would impact me every day, but I would like to hear if anyone has comparable experience in this regard.

 

[tuminatr]

I would be interested in CrossClimate 2 tires as well, because I have them on my Highlander Hybrid, and they are REALLY good in the snow! But if I load them in Big O Tires online configuration tool with my MME selected (225/55R19), they show "Load Range/Index does not meet requirements for a 2023 Ford Mustang Mach-E"

Depending on when you need them the Quatrac Pro is being revised and will offer a 225/55/19 103W XL. Here is the link to their European website with the specs. It is also a "B" in rolling resistance meaning it would only have at max a 2% hit on range

https://www.vredestein.co.uk/car-su...QUATRAC-PRO+/?289=225&354=55&283_1=19&sizes=1

To answer your questions on range look to the euro specs the CC2 is rated "C" and the Primacy would be an "A" that's a 4-6% impact on range.

Pilot sport A/S is not sold in Europe but my guess is it would have the same effect on range as the CC2. The 225/55/19 vs 245/50/19 would make very little difference they are rated the same in rolling resistance.

 

[pdxzzr]

Depending on when you need them the Quatrac Pro is being revised and will offer a 225/55/19 103W XL. Here is the link to their European website with the specs. It is also a "B" in rolling resistance meaning it would only have at max a 2% hit on range

https://www.vredestein.co.uk/car-su...QUATRAC-PRO+/?289=225&354=55&283_1=19&sizes=1

To answer your questions on range look to the euro specs the CC2 is rated "C" and the Primacy would be an "A" that's a 4-6% impact on range.

Pilot sport A/S is not sold in Europe but my guess is it would have the same effect on range as the CC2. The 225/55/19 vs 245/50/19 would make very little difference they are rated the same in rolling resistance.

Thanks! This is super helpful. I was able to find a dealer here in Oregon, so I’ll check them out.

 

[1CalifCowboy]

Have cross climate on my Mustang, went with the 235/65 r18 size. Didn't notice any range difference from the stock tires, but 90% of my driving is Freeway. Love the improvement in the ride quality and it really sticks in the corners.

 

[tuminatr]

Thanks! This is super helpful. I was able to find a dealer here in Oregon, so I’ll check them out.

Les Schwab sells Vredetein they probably only have the current model though and the 19" is not an XL. The 20" and 18" are XL though

 

[tuminatr]

Have cross climate on my Mustang, went with the 235/65 r18 size. Didn't notice any range difference from the stock tires, but 90% of my driving is Freeway. Love the improvement in the ride quality and it really sticks in the corners.

Not a size I would recommend for the MME too much of a difference over stock. In the 18" a 245/55/18 103 would work though

 

[Tpaguy]

I just put CrossClimate 2 tires on my Mach E AWD and am impressed with how much better they are than the Primacy.

At higher speed highway driving, I’ve seen a range hit of about 5%. Below 55mph there is almost no range hit for me though.

On wet roads, they perform far superior to the Primacy tires and they are just as quiet. My Ford dealer tried to talk me out of them saying added road noise was a complaint, which I haven’t witnessed at all.

The only positive about the Primacy was they lasted about 42k miles for me. I hope the CrossClimate 2 tires will last a good while too.

 

[mkhuffman]

I just crossed over 45K miles on the OEM tires (FE AWD). Even though there appears to be quite a bit of tread left I think it's time for me to think about planning for their replacement. I've landed on going with either the CrossClimate 2 or the Pilot Sport All Seasons.

The Pilot A/S seam like a great upgrade over the OEM Primacy while still maintaining the stock handling and range characteristics. However, I'm leaning towards the CrossClimate2's because they're winter peak rated for the occasions I get snow or go up to the mountains in the winter, which isn't enough to justify a separate set of tires. For anyone that has them, what is your experience with range hit, and noise, especially if you kept the OEM size?

I'm asking because I've seem some posts saying there is a range hit, but it seems they also upsized to 245s so it isn't clear on an apples-apples comparison (this is also true of posts where folks went with the Pilot A/S.

Thanks in advance!

The rolling resistance difference between the OEM and CC2s is significant, IMO. I would expect a 10-20% hit, probably closer to 10%.

Low rolling resistance tires have poor wet traction compared with standard tires. The CC2s have great wet traction. They are excellent tires in every respect except rolling resistance.

 

[pdxzzr]

Les Schwab sells Vredetein they probably only have the current model though and the 19" is not an XL. The 20" and 18" are XL though

Les Schwab is the dealer I found. I just figured out that the Quatrac Pro can be bought on Tire Rack and installed at Discount Tire.

 

[tuminatr]

Les Schwab is the dealer I found. I just figured out that the Quatrac Pro can be bought on Tire Rack and installed at Discount Tire.

That's true too Discount tire owns Tire Rack

 

[tuminatr]

The rolling resistance difference between the OEM and CC2s is significant, IMO. I would expect a 10-20% hit, probably closer to 10%.

Low rolling resistance tires have poor wet traction compared with standard tires. The CC2s have great wet traction. They are excellent tires in every respect except rolling resistance.

Low rolling resistance tires do typically have less traction in all respects but when it comes to tires there are ways to compensate for everything.one example is a directional tread pattern is known to be the best for wet traction. The CC2 is directional the make up for what they do(typically tire manufacters add oil) to make the tread stay soft in cold temperatures.

Here are Tire Racks test results. The CC2 did fine but it was not the best in the wet

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=306

One other thought is I am not a fan of directional all season tires. Heavy cars like the MME need religious tire rotations and directional tires can only be rotated front to back.

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