Testing Tesla SuperChargers with the J3400 to CCS1 adapter

[Yerfdog56]

I can understand why some mixed V2/3 sites are left out but I can’t figure out why some pure V3 sites are left out entirely.

I believe in the original announcement from Tesla, they were going to slow open select locations in addition to adding manufacturers based on the utilization rate of each SpC location. If there is a V3 site that currently has at or near full capacity, even if just during peak use, it will not be open to non-Tesla's until the utilization rate has stabilized to avoid backups. Tesla's intent is to dramatically increase the rate of opening new SpC sites to stay ahead of the rush.

Tesla owners will love this

Not sure how he did it any different than a Model X towing a trailer would.

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[timbop]

Not sure how he did it any different than a Model X towing a trailer would.

Because he is not only a Ford owner encroaching on the Tesla chargers - which means he has to block access to a SC by parking on the "wrong" side of the one he's using, the trailer will potentially block several more SC depending upon how much room he has for the trailer.

It is understandable that Tesla drivers would not be happy with the situation

 

[Yerfdog56]

Because he is not only a Ford owner encroaching on the Tesla chargers - which means he has to block access to a SC by parking on the "wrong" side of the one he's using, the trailer will potentially block several more SC depending upon how much room he has for the trailer.

It is understandable that Tesla drivers would not be happy with the situation

I think you overestimate the tribalism that a Tesla owner may have. We’re not seeing it at the magic dock locations so not buying it. But my point was that truck pulling that trailer is exactly where a model X pulling that trailer would park.

 

[timbop]

I think you overestimate the tribalism that a Tesla owner may have. We’re not seeing it at the magic dock locations so not buying it. But my point was that truck pulling that trailer is exactly where a model X pulling that trailer would park.

I'm confused. The charge port on a Tesla is in the rear, so unless the stalls are pull-through a model Y would have to drop the trailer in a regular parking spot in order to back in. In the case of the lightning, if the stalls are not pull-through he doesn't have to drop the trailer so in all likelihood will just pull head-in to a SC. The trailer behind him will in all likelihood block access.

Now, one could argue that etiquette would dictate that he too undock the trailer elsewhere so as not to block the lane.

As to Tesla owners, it's not necessarily "tribalism" but human nature. Nobody wants to wait, and the combination of the shortness of the cord combined with the charge port location in addition to just the extra cars wanting to use the chargers means waiting is going to be inevitable.

 

[4sallypat]

Three 20 to 80% charges. .6 x 91 x 3 = 164kWh.

164 x .64 = $104.96.

With Pass+, cost is $104.96 x .75 = $78.72 + $7 = $85.72, savings of $19.24.

A BONUS is using the right credit card with EA and saving another 2% or $1.57 for no work.

Haven't had luck with getting 4% on my Coscto CITI VISA using Ford BOCN - it shows up as 1%?

And does Ford VISA by FNBO give back 3% ?

 

[leehinde]

Tesla is also offering a similar thing: for $13/mo you pay a cheaper charging rate,

This would be an interesting test. Does buying the Tesla plan give you access to the sites that are otherwise closed to non-Teslas?

 

[RickMachE]

Haven't had luck with getting 4% on my Coscto CITI VISA using Ford BOCN - it shows up as 1%?

And does Ford VISA by FNBO give back 3% ?

Right. Ford is a car company, not a charging provider. Have to use EA app, ChargePoint app, ...

 

[Yerfdog56]

I'm confused. The charge port on a Tesla is in the rear, so unless the stalls are pull-through a model Y would have to drop the trailer in a regular parking spot in order to back in. In the case of the lightning, if the stalls are not pull-through he doesn't have to drop the trailer so in all likelihood will just pull head-in to a SC. The trailer behind him will in all likelihood block access.

Now, one could argue that etiquette would dictate that he too undock the trailer elsewhere so as not to block the lane.

As to Tesla owners, it's not necessarily "tribalism" but human nature. Nobody wants to wait, and the combination of the shortness of the cord combined with the charge port location in addition to just the extra cars wanting to use the chargers means waiting is going to be inevitable.

If you look at the photo that I'm referring to, @ChasingCoral was charging his Lightning on the sidesaddle style of Tesla SpC kiosk. This is different than the typical kiosk and he was fortunate to stop at a location that had one. These were originally intended for Tesla's with either a bike rack, trailer or some other rear mounted appendage that would make backing in difficult if not impossible. If I was towing the same trailer that he was, in a Tesla, I would have pulled in exactly how he did. If the trailer is blocking access to the rest of the parking lot then yes, he should undock the trailer so as to not block the parking lot. That doesn't appear to be the case.
How he parked his Lighting with trailer at the Tesla sidesaddle kiosk is how they are designed to work. It's not a pull through that would have been better but it's the next best thing. This has nothing to do with non-Tesla's ticking off Tesla owners. Anybody that faults him for how he parked is ignorant to charging etiquette.
It would be like arriving at a bathroom with 7 normal stalls and one handicapped stall and bitching at the guy in the wheelchair using the handicap stall when there are 7 open normal stalls and you are not handicapped. There is absolutely no reason to be triggered by how he parked regardless of the vehicle.

I agree that waiting on someone to charge is inconvenient regardless of what is being charged. AFAIK, Tesla is opening up the SpC Network in drips and drabs only where the utilization rate would not negatively impact usage by all. Time will tell if the insignificant addition of 150,000 Ford EV's this summer and 150,000 GM EV's this fall with cause a backup to the existing 2,000,000 Tesla's that currently use it. Non-Tesla usage of the SpC is the salt in the salad for now.

 

[Jiji]

This would be an interesting test. Does buying the Tesla plan give you access to the sites that are otherwise closed to non-Teslas?

No

 

[ChasingCoral]

If you look at the photo that I'm referring to, @ChasingCoral was charging his Lightning on the sidesaddle style of Tesla SpC kiosk. This is different than the typical kiosk and he was fortunate to stop at a location that had one. These were originally intended for Tesla's with either a bike rack, trailer or some other rear mounted appendage that would make backing in difficult if not impossible. If I was towing the same trailer that he was, in a Tesla, I would have pulled in exactly how he did. If the trailer is blocking access to the rest of the parking lot then yes, he should undock the trailer so as to not block the parking lot. That doesn't appear to be the case.
How he parked his Lighting with trailer at the Tesla sidesaddle kiosk is how they are designed to work. It's not a pull through that would have been better but it's the next best thing. This has nothing to do with non-Tesla's ticking off Tesla owners. Anybody that faults him for how he parked is ignorant to charging etiquette.
It would be like arriving at a bathroom with 7 normal stalls and one handicapped stall and bitching at the guy in the wheelchair using the handicap stall when there are 7 open normal stalls and you are not handicapped. There is absolutely no reason to be triggered by how he parked regardless of the vehicle.

I agree that waiting on someone to charge is inconvenient regardless of what is being charged. AFAIK, Tesla is opening up the SpC Network in drips and drabs only where the utilization rate would not negatively impact usage by all. Time will tell if the insignificant addition of 150,000 Ford EV's this summer and 150,000 GM EV's this fall with cause a backup to the existing 2,000,000 Tesla's that currently use it. Non-Tesla usage of the SpC is the salt in the salad for now.

So far, every Supercharger we've stopped at has one or two of those sidesaddle chargers.

Sheetz also provides windshield washing stations. Squeegee with no clickee.

 

[Gloff]

@ChasingCoral
Is there an electromechanical lock on the NACS side of the adapter so it can't be disconnected when plugged into the truck? And is there a lock on the CCS1 side. I know there's a lock button for DC charging, but there's conflicting information as to whether or not you can unlock the coupler without the key being near the vehicle.

 

[doogie63]

According to the Manual, you cannot unlock the charge cable if you don't have the fob nearby. I have not verified this, as I have not needed to DCFC my Mach E.

I am curious if there is an interlock on the NACS side. Our J1772/NCAS Tesla Destination charger has that pin much like Tesla vehicles to lock the adapter to the NACS connector. You can hear it click when you pull the J1772 connector out of the holder.

Has anyone tested this out to see if you can unlock without FOB near by? Or does it lock so no one can take it if you are not around.

 

[doogie63]

Has anyone tested this out to see if you can unlock without FOB near by? Or does it lock so no one can take it if you are not around.

The ones people who got an adapter day one are those prototypes? Maybe the ones they send out will have a lock where the FOB needs to be close by like the document says. What do you guys think?

 

[silverelan]

Has anyone tested this out to see if you can unlock without FOB near by? Or does it lock so no one can take it if you are not around.

@Mach-E VLOG tested it while filming at Quartzsite. The adapter can be pulled right out of the car and vanish with nearly zero effort.

 

[timbop]

Has anyone tested this out to see if you can unlock without FOB near by? Or does it lock so no one can take it if you are not around.

Yes, Patrick (@Mach-E VLOG) tested that with the prototype he has and you can stop the charge and undock the adapter without a FOB. That was also confirmed by Ford Engineers.

The ones people who got an adapter day one are those prototypes? Maybe the ones they send out will have a lock where the FOB needs to be close by like the document says. What do you guys think?

It is unlikely that Tesla will change the design at this stage of the game, although it is possible. Again, Ford engineers mentioned to Patrick that they will be looking into a way to lock the adapter in place even if the charge is stopped. My guess is that they need to implement what was outlined in the manual

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