2021 Prem AWD Ford Options end - what to do?

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Well, I can’t guarantee what technology will come, but I can guarantee that a brand new MME will depreciate a lot more than the one you’ve got. You’ll essentially be getting hit with the brunt of the depreciation twice.
Good point, but I'm still thinking that getting what I can now for my 2021 is likely worth the gamble? So not sure... :^)
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Good point, but I'm still thinking that getting what I can now for my 2021 is likely worth the gamble? So not sure... :^)
I guess that’s up to you. But in my opinion, the MME resale value has finished the steep drop and will level off. A new one will put you right back into the steepest drop. I totally understand wanting a new car, as I tend to want something new every few years. But just rolling into another MME (even a GTPE) doesn’t get you any new technology, and really isn’t different enough to be worth it to me.
 

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All this is great stuff, thanks

do all the leases have the same annual mileage? There are special discounts that certain companies have, such as being able to get another 8-10% off on the BMW above and beyond the 9900 they mentioned in their sales advertisements. Sales tax considerations may be the same for all but not necessarily.

Example: an IX 50 with MSRP of $96k just a month ago could be had for low 800’s and that includes tax, a refundable deposit (basically a 12% annual return on your money) for 12k miles a year and a 3 year lease.. The only money down was bank fee , first month payment and the usual registration fees etc. and as I mentioned above the refundable deposit of $5995 held by BMW not the dealer. BMW money factor was under 1% with that deposit. Or a number very close to it.

just some other things to consider.
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So I think most of the advertised deals I've seen have been for 10,000 annual miles. The math will change a little of you do 12,000, of course. But I do not trust anything until I get numbers from a dealer on a car in stock. Some of these dealers' web calculators are showing lease numbers that make no sense - stupidly high!

When the company I work for was owned by TRW, we had deals like that. But then NG bought TRW and then we bought ourselves from NG and went small & private. No deals for us!
 

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I’m seeing Reddit posts of $48-49k for GTPE. I’d target that price and get the lease deal based on that.
 

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I’m seeing Reddit posts of $48-49k for GTPE. I’d target that price and get the lease deal based on that.
No such thing. I checked with over ten dealers who had gtpe in stock. None were willing to discount a dime over what ford is offering. It’s new (reduced) msrp minus 3k for sale or 7.5k for lease. That’s it. And this is Chicago with 51 dealers in a 30 mile radius.
 


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So I think most of the advertised deals I've seen have been for 10,000 annual miles. The math will change a little of you do 12,000, of course. But I do not trust anything until I get numbers from a dealer on a car in stock. Some of these dealers' web calculators are showing lease numbers that make no sense - stupidly high!

When the company I work for was owned by TRW, we had deals like that. But then NG bought TRW and then we bought ourselves from NG and went small & private. No deals for us!
yes Many dealer promos don’t make sense but the BMW for example is BMW USA.

In any event, discounts are plentiful and ads don’t always cover the full discount that is possible
 

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I guess that’s up to you. But in my opinion, the MME resale value has finished the steep drop and will level off. A new one will put you right back into the steepest drop. I totally understand wanting a new car, as I tend to want something new every few years. But just rolling into another MME (even a GTPE) doesn’t get you any new technology, and really isn’t different enough to be worth it to me.
Thanks generaltso for the input. I'm concerned that I'll be out of warranty, and that the technology is advancing fast enough that the car will depreciate even more quickly over the next few years. Getting the 7,500 credit on a lease deal seems prudent if I can sell (or trade) my 2021 for about $30k.
I agree with the General and I'd add that you can still buy a Ford extended warranty on your 2021. The cost of the warranty would be thousands less than the depreciation of a new GTPE, even with a $7500 tax credit on the leased car. There is no way that it makes economic sense to buy a new car to replace your current one. If you really want a GTPE, I suggest you look for a used one. There are lots out there and they're much less expensive than new. And the way Ford decontented the Mach E each year, the older the better!
 

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This is what ford.com is showing for a GTPE.

I'm in a similar situation but will post separately with how I am approaching the math.


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Never put money down on a lease. Among other things if you total the vehicle the money is gone.
 

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. . . I'd add that you can still buy a Ford extended warranty on your 2021. The cost of the warranty would be thousands less than the depreciation of a new GTPE, even with a $7500 tax credit on the leased car. . . .
That's exactly what I did after purchasing a used 2021 California Route One in August. I now have bumper to bumper peace of mind until 2028, by which time EVs in general should be greatly improved. At age 77, I'm particularly interested in advances in Driver Assistance so I can keep driving safely into my 80s.
 

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I'm not one to readily trust what the Dealer says. My local one so far has said that the 7,500 is no longer valid(?), but he has to check with his boss. He also said GTPE MSRP is $62K.
I'd offer $47,395. The new MSRP, less $7,500 lease tax credit, less $2,500 market adjustment.

I don't care what a car salesman thinks is "valid". I don't care what games he wants to play with an arbitrary 'suggested retail' price. I would estimate what the market will bear, and offer that. If this guy doesn't take it, another dealer will.
 

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No such thing. I checked with over ten dealers who had gtpe in stock. None were willing to discount a dime over what ford is offering. It’s new (reduced) msrp minus 3k for sale or 7.5k for lease. That’s it. And this is Chicago with 51 dealers in a 30 mile radius.
Okay. Mach-E prices have been dropping all morning, which means that everybody's waiting for it to hit rock bottom so they can buy cheap and go long. Which means that the people who own the Mach-E inventory are goin' bat-shit. They're saying, "Hey, we're losing all our goddamn money, and Christmas is just around the corner, and I ain't gonna have no money to buy my son the G.I. Joe with the kung-fu grip, right? And my wife won't f... my wife won't make love to me 'cuz I ain't got no money, right?" So they're panicking right now, they're screaming "SELL! SELL!" to get out before the price keeps dropping. They're panicking out there right now! I can feel it! They out there!
 
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Hmmm....

The salesman at my local dealer (who, admittedly, has been very good at servicing my MachE), just emailed me this:
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Afternoon. The boss has confirmed no IRS money on MachE's any longer. Can you send me a copy of your contract please so I may see if we can even trade you out of your current MachE. Thanks.

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From everything I've read, the DEALER will get $7,500 from the IRS for the lease. Anyone know if I 'm correct and he is either lying or does not know what he is talking about?
 

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Okay. Mach-E prices have been dropping all morning, which means that everybody's waiting for it to hit rock bottom so they can buy cheap and go long. Which means that the people who own the Mach-E inventory are goin' bat-shit. They're saying, "Hey, we're losing all our goddamn money, and Christmas is just around the corner, and I ain't gonna have no money to buy my son the G.I. Joe with the kung-fu grip, right? And my wife won't f... my wife won't make love to me 'cuz I ain't got no money, right?" So they're panicking right now, they're screaming "SELL! SELL!" to get out before the price keeps dropping. They're panicking out there right now! I can feel it! They out there!
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Hmmm....

The salesman at my local dealer (who, admittedly, has been very good at servicing my MachE), just emailed me this:
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Afternoon. The boss has confirmed no IRS money on MachE's any longer. Can you send me a copy of your contract please so I may see if we can even trade you out of your current MachE. Thanks.

Frank
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From everything I've read, the DEALER will get $7,500 from the IRS for the lease. Anyone know if I 'm correct and he is either lying or does not know what he is talking about?
Dealer is not getting anything from IRS. Once you lease a vehicle, Ford Credit owns it and will collect the IRS refund. Ford Credit is extending that to you in the form of cap reduction worth $7,500.

You are asking your dealer the wrong question. The Mach-E does not qualify for a tax refund to the customer (like lightening does). It only qualifies for the loophole tax refund under leasing.
 
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Thanks @GreaseMonkey! I'm awaiting a lease quote from dealer. Will post here so others have something to compare. At this rate I may follow the advice from @generaltso and just get an extended warranty on my 2021 - it is $1,750 for 8 years / 85k miles with added interior/exterior light protection. From floodfordesp.com
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