Farley Says It's Not a Mustang

[DennisD]

Umm... This door sill?

No, this one. ?

It is not always followed by "Mach E" as suggested below.

I guess that ends this debate. You are/were wrong and this concludes the debate with proof shown to show the opposite.

20 pages in and this is all it took...................

We see Mustang just fine. It’s others here that don’t understand that it’s always followed by “Mach E.”

Having a similar name doesn’t make you that thing. Hell, even having the SAME name doesn’t make you that thing.

This car isn’t a horse or a plane either. You don’t have to be blind to understand what a Mustang Mach E is and isn’t.

This is a 4 door electric SUV.

As opposed to the Mustang which is-
“The namesake of the "pony car" automobile segment, the Mustang was developed as a highly styled line of sporty coupes and convertibles derived from existing model lines, initially distinguished by "long hood, short deck" proportions.[3]”

Body style	2-door coupe 3-door hatchback 2-door fastback 2-door convertible

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Mustang#:~:text=The namesake of the "pony,Ford Mustang

Goes on to explain what the Mach E is. Underlined for emphasis-

On November 17, 2019, Ford announced the Ford Mustang Mach-E.[93] Unrelated to any of the pony car Mustang versions, it is an electric crossover with rear-wheel or all-wheel drive, depending on trim level.[94] It has 210–375 miles (340–605 km) of range and an updated Ford Sync system with a 15.5 inch display.[95]The Mustang Mach-E comes in several different trims including First Edition, Select, Premium, California Route 1, and GT.[96] The Mach-E also offers two battery options, and Ford is expected to introduce a third option in the future.[97][98] Although it shares the Mustang name and badge, this vehicle is not counted among the Mustang's seven generations, as it is a separate model produced alongside the existing two-door Mustang rather than being a chronological successor to it, and is designed around a separate vehicle platform.[99]

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[nvabill]

Ford made a Mustang & Ford made a Mustang Mach E, that is why there are two
trademarks, call the Mach E a straight up Mustang but honestly that is not what it is.

Mustang® - Trademark for 2 Door Ice Mustang

Mustang Mach-E® - Trademark for EV

 

[DennisD]

Ford made a Mustang & Ford made a Mustang Mach E, that is why there are two
trademarks, call the Mach E a straight up Mustang but honestly that is not what it is.

Mustang® - Trademark for 2 Door Ice Mustang

Mustang Mach-E® - Trademark for EV

You have just shown proof that they are both Mustangs.

Other examples

Mustang GT
Mustang Boss
Mustang II

and drumroll please..............

Mustang Dark Horse

I guess that isn't a Mustang according to you?

They are all under the same umbrella with Mustang being the common name.

Thanks!!

 

[nvabill]

You have just shown proof that they are both Mustangs.

Other examples

Mustang GT
Mustang Boss
Mustang II

and drumroll please..............

Mustang Dark Horse

I guess that isn't a Mustang according to you?

They are all under the same umbrella with Mustang being the common name.

Thanks!!

For the record my claim has never been that the Mach E is not a Mustang just that without adding the Mach E part you are not calling it the given name (trademark) given it by Ford. Sure it is a Mustang a Mustang Mach E, just my two cents worth. Further for the record there is nothing I can do about what folks call their Mach E but for me it will always be a Mustang Mach E not just a straight Mustang.

 

[nvabill]

and drumroll please..............

Mustang Dark Horse

I guess that isn't a Mustang according to you?

They are all under the same umbrella with Mustang being the common name.

Thanks!!

Yes, it is, it is a Mustang Dark Horse or commonly referred to just as a Dark Horse, dropping that off just mkes it a generic Mustang, kinda takes away from it's unique qualities, in my opinion.

 

[Mach1E]

No, this one. ?

It is not always followed by "Mach E" as suggested below.

I guess that ends this debate. You are/were wrong and this concludes the debate with proof shown to show the opposite.

20 pages in and this is all it took...................

You already tried to make this point. It says Mustang inside the door, and Mach E outside the door.

Mustang is still followed by Mach E.

So which generation of Mustang do you think the Mach E belongs to?

 

[Mach1E]

Did you see my profile pic? I have a Space White Mach-2, going on 3 years. The police wrote grey Tesla in the car description on the ticket. The plate number was correct.

Could be worse, when I first bought the car I went through a drive through and they wrote “black minivan” on the receipt.

 

[garyd9]

They are all under the same umbrella with Mustang being the common name.

Umbrellas? I thought this thread was about cars. Are you suggesting that umbrellas are mustangs also?

 

[DennisD]

You already tried to make this point. It says Mustang inside the door, and Mach E outside the door.

Mustang is still followed by Mach E.

So which generation of Mustang do you think the Mach E belongs to?

So when you suggest that the word "Mustang" is ALWAYS followed by Mach E, you are saying that the Phrase "Mustang Mach E" starts on the Door Sill with the word Mustang and keeps going all the way around the car and then you finish reading the phrase on the outside of the car?

That is not only figuratively a stretch, but literal as well. I now know who I am "debating". Facts are very loosely held and can be articulated to fits one narrative no matter how bizarre. If you are married, I am sure you always admit when you are wrong. ?

See sarcasm.

Tell you what, I will give you $50 if you can prove this to me. Grab the first 1000 people you see and open a door with the word Mustang on the Door Sill and have them read it. If they read Mustang Mach E in that one phrase shown to them, you will be $50 richer.

Too funny.

To put a fine note on this.

Both the two door and four door model has the word "Mustang" in it. They are two different cars carrying the same exact badging (as shown on my door sill). They are both Mustangs and they are both real. The two door has multiple generations while the 4 door is the first of it's kind.

Different Mustangs were made in different years. They are all real and many are unique upon each other. The word "Mustang" has been followed by many different examples of badging along with models. They all Mustangs even though you seem to suggest that it can't be because one model has too many doors and it makes your brain hurt to think otherwise.

Does one have only the word "Mustang". With some, yes. Do some have Dark Horse or Mach E followed by their name? Yes, some do.

Can you purchase a Mach E without the word "Mustang" on the Window Sticker? Not to my knowledge.

Can you purchase a Pinto without the word "Mustang" on the Window Sticker it? Yes.

In fact, almost all cars that I know of don't have the word "Mustang" on the Window Sticker other than the 2 door coupe and the 4 door EV made by Ford. But hey, those are only facts. I am confident that you can manipulate the sticker by placing your hand over the word "Mustang" and saying, "see, it doesn't say that"...........................?

 

[Mach1E]

So when you suggest that the word "Mustang" is ALWAYS followed by Mach E, you are saying that the Phrase "Mustang Mach E" starts on the Door Sill with the word Mustang and keeps going all the way around the car and then you finish reading the phrase on the outside of the car?

That is not only figuratively a stretch, but literal as well. I now know who I am "debating". Facts are very loosely held and can be articulated to fits one narrative no matter how bizarre. If you are married, I am sure you always admit when you are wrong. ?

See sarcasm.

Tell you what, I will give you $50 if you can prove this to me. Grab the first 1000 people you see and open a door with the word Mustang on the Door Sill and have them read it. If they read Mustang Mach E in that one phrase shown to them, you will be $50 richer.

Too funny.

To put a fine note on this.

Both the two door and four door model has the word "Mustang" in it. They are two different cars carrying the same exact badging (as shown on my door sill). They are both Mustangs and they are both real. The two door has multiple generations while the 4 door is the first of it's kind.

Different Mustangs were made in different years. They are all real and many are unique upon each other. The word "Mustang" has been followed by many different examples of badging along with models. They all Mustangs even though you seem to suggest that it can't be because one model has too many doors and it makes your brain hurt to think otherwise.

Does one have only the word "Mustang". With some, yes. Do some have Dark Horse or Mach E followed by their name? Yes, some do.

Can you purchase a Mach E without the word "Mustang" on the Window Sticker? Not to my knowledge.

Can you purchase a Pinto without the word "Mustang" on the Window Sticker it? Yes.

In fact, almost all cars that I know of don't have the word "Mustang" on the Window Sticker other than the 2 door coupe and the 4 door EV made by Ford. But hey, those are only facts. I am confident that you can manipulate the sticker by placing your hand over the word "Mustang" and saying, "see, it doesn't say that"...........................?

Always.

My car says “GT” in 3 places. But if you describe it as a “Ford GT” or “Mustang GT” you sound like a fool.

It’s a Ford Mustang Mach E GT.

You need ALL the words to describe what it is.

You still haven’t told me which generation of Mustang you think the Mach E belongs to.

 

[DennisD]

Always.

My car says “GT” in 3 places. But if you describe it as a “Ford GT” or “Mustang GT” you sound like a fool.

It’s a Ford Mustang Mach E GT.

You need ALL the words to describe what it is.

You still haven’t told me which generation of Mustang you think the Mach E belongs to.

The Ford GT is not a Mustang. The Mustang GT is a Mustang.

The word "GT" can be used to describe both. They are two different cars made by Ford, and yes they are both real.

The word "Mustang" is not found on the Ford GT. The Ford GT is not a real Mustang. The Ford Mustang GT is a real Mustang, but once again they are both GT's.

Like I stated earlier, the 2 door model of the Mustang has many generations. The EV (4 door model) is in it's first generation. They are both Mustangs and they are two different cars. This should not be hard to understand?

Hey, when can I send you that $50 dollars?

 

[Mach1E]

The Ford GT is not a Mustang. The Mustang GT is a Mustang.

The word "GT" can be used to describe both. They are two different cars made by Ford, and yes they are both real.

The word "Mustang" is not found on the Ford GT. The Ford GT is not a real Mustang. The Ford Mustang GT is a real Mustang, but once again they are both GT's.

Like I stated earlier, the 2 door model of the Mustang has many generations. The EV (4 door model) is in it's first generation. They are both Mustangs and they are two different cars. This should not be hard to understand?

Hey, when can I send you that $50 dollars?

First generation means it’s a different car and not a Mustang.

Thanks for clarifying. ?

 

[DennisD]

First generation means it’s a different car and not a Mustang.

Thanks for clarifying. ?

Yes, please show me where I suggested it wasn't a different car?

Do you have a brother with the same last name? Are you the same person or a different person? I am guessing if you are not the same person, then only one can say they are a (insert last name here). And I can go one further, if your older brother had the same name as your Dad, he would have a Jr. on the end of your names. If he was John Smith Jr. and you were Jim Smith, does only one Smith exist and is Jim the only "real" Smith?

That is what you are basically suggesting. Both the 2 door and 4 were issued with the name Mustang applied on their Window Sticker and both are advertised as such.

One car has two doors and the other has 4 doors. Other than sharing the unique name "Mustang", they are quite different but at the end of the day, one is a "Jr." if you will and the other is another sibling with a different first name (in this analogy)

They are both Mustangs but with entire different drive train etc..

I think what you are hung up on is that the current Mustang Mach E is not like the OG and therefore it can't be a "real" Mustang.

From my vantage point, I agree that they are quite different but share the same name, thus making them both "real" Mustangs.

 

[User100723]

Man, this is the post that keeps giving and giving. I'm sure we can get to 20 pages...

You can thank Farley for this incredible thread. I think most of us had long settled this question as a matter of corporate naming vs personal opinion, but the recent comments from Farley (now a month and a half old!) really sent mixed signals about what the company thinks about the product they made and are selling to us. Who cares what we think about a company’s product or name, whatever the company says the product is, that’s what it will be called.

But when the CEO of said company abruptly backtracks on 3+ years of marketing and publicly breaks with the rest of the current corporate marketing strategy, contradicting and refuting just about everything the company has ever said (and is still saying) about the product (including statements he himself made at the product’s reveal), then we have a problem.

It’d be like Apple saying in all its marketing materials that the iPad is a “computer” (in the traditional sense, lol), but then Tim Cook of all people, in a media interview, suddenly states that the iPad is “not a computer”, and that Apple “would never, EVER, build a computer with a touchscreen and stylus support”. But then Apple continues to run ads that say the iPad is indeed a “computer”. Definitions aside, what kind of a message does that send to us? The company themselves are just as confused as we are. Even they don’t know what they’re making/selling/advertising to us.

 

[HuntingPudel]

<SNIP>
there is nothing I can do about what folks call their Mach E but for me it will always be a Mustang Mach E not just a straight Mustang.

Some of my neighbors call it "The Fancy Car®." ??

I'm a lazy dog so I call it a Mach-E. Two extra syllables are too much. ??

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