Mach-e for Road Trips just sucks. Not even close. More expensive than gas

[Sikkun]

You guys can debate intellectual levels.

But people oppose change and will come up with any excuse to avoid change.

For some people it literally will never matter what argument, logic, etc. you use an EV is evil and will never work.

But that’s ok, people don’t live forever and things change.

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[Mach1E]

Yeah, I have no idea how that quote hyperlinked to that article. Thanks for the additional opinions. But getting back to my point, you claimed the average EV Driver is no more intelligent (bigger brained) than the average ICE driver. I provided a study that states differently. If you disagree, please provide something other than an opinion to support your position.

Here are better data:

"CalMatters’ statewide analysis of ZIP codes reveals a strikingly homogenous portrait of who owns electric vehicles in California: Communities with mostly white and Asian, college-educated and high-income residents have the state’s highest concentrations of zero-emission cars. And most are concentrated in Silicon Valley cities and affluent coastal areas of Los Angeles and Orange counties. "
https://calmatters.org/environment/2023/03/california-electric-cars-demographics/

Who Owns Battery Electric Vehicles - Demographics
Gender: Primarily male(67%). Females are significantly more likely to be “Fence Sitters” or “Rejectors”
Age: Primarily under the age of 45 (68%)
Education: Primarily those with higher education (a college degree+) (56%)
Ethnicity: Predominantly White/Caucasian (62%) followed by Asian (15%)
Relationship: Predominantly Married/Cohabiting/Domestic Partnerships (72%)Annual Household Income: Predominently higher household income segments ($100K+) (62%)
https://news.mullenusa.com/the-u.s.-electric-vehicle-market-exploring-ownership

https://www.researchgate.net/figure...-a-new-car-in-the-last-5-years_fig5_269694568

I don’t think that 56% number is statistically significant.

% of working age adults in the US with a college degree? 54%

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michae...ge-degrees-edges-higher-finds-lumina-report/#

Sounds like EV drivers are pretty average in this matter. ?‍

 

[HuntingPudel]

Agreed 100%

My Mach-E GT has become a pretty expensive errand vehicle. Highway efficiency is only about 2.2 mi/kWh which translates to about 200 miles of range on a full battery. My V8 Dodge Charger goes 370 miles on the same route at same flow of traffic speed!

As you said, I am so glad that I didn't do away with the ICE vehicle!

Damn, even with my aero nightmare aftermarket wheels and 275 tires I get better efficiency than that. My GT-PE runs 2.4-2.6 mi/KWh on a trip, mostly ~74mph. ?‍?

 

[HuntingPudel]

Oh I don’t know. I flew an MD-11 for 17 years. Landings weren’t fun, they were an adventure. Sort of like using a June 2024 Tesla built adapter.

I’m just not a safe pilot any more since I don’t put in any hours. I would need to go through instruction again. ??

 

[Old_Norm]

I don’t think that 56% number is statistically significant.

% of working age adults in the US with a college degree? 54%

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michae...ge-degrees-edges-higher-finds-lumina-report/#

Sounds like EV drivers are pretty average in this matter. ?‍

The very definition of apples to oranges. The data is 56% of EV owners are college graduates. You are comparing EV owners to the general population. Compare the percentage of ICE vehicle owners with college degrees to EV owners with college degrees and you would be more accurate.

 

[Old_Norm]

Thought so, what? You cited California data for the tie between education level and EV ownership. And you link to this from Mullen:

"BEV Owners tend to have a significantly elevated strength of conviction regarding their personal attitudes and opinions. They are among the most highly motivated to achieve financial security, significantly more satisfied or content with their life in general. They project the highest degree of self-confidence; and as a likely consequence, are significantly more inclined to perceive themselves as a leader. They are also more politically motivated, the least conventional, and place the highest degree of importance upon maximizing fun and enjoyment in their lives."

Which psychobabble I read as stuck up white people who have an overabundance of self importance (i.e. Coastal and Enviro elites).

Let me guess, you are a cherry picker by trade. What does your quote above have to do with the education level of BEV owners? I get it, you are wrong and trying to throw verbiage against to wall to see if it sticks. Bottom line, I have provided cites that show EV owners with higher education levels than ICE vehicle owners. You have presented nothing but opinion, and frankly, attacks on EV owners. Pretty pathetic performance. No wonder you got banned from the Bronco site.

 

[Bruboy]

After 30k, I finally did my first road trip in my Mach-e (Houston to Dallas and back, leave Friday, back Saturday)

253 miles. Cost was $0.14 at my house, and $0.56 at each of 3 EA stops I had to make. Total cost $48. 133 kWh used. Efficiency was 1.9 - wow.
Stopped twice in Ennis, TX Walmart - 3 of 4 chargers out of service - had to wait for the 1 working one. Total time 75 minutes.
On the way home, had to wait again for the 1 working charger, total wait time 90 minutes.
Third stop was a little better (Huntsville), 3 of 4 working, but 1 was 30kWhr only ... I got the high speed, wait 20 minutes.

If I drive my F150, range is 550 miles, so NO stops, and gas at US$2.60 a gallon, cost is $43 - $5 LESS than the EV.

Just wow - I get it why people don't want to buy EVs. I am lucky, it's my 2nd car, and I love my Mach-e for getting around town, but these Public Chargers are a joke.

Peace

Need that adapter to stop at Bucee's - have Tesla which are cheaper and faster

 

[theotherdave]

I guess it just goes to show how good the Tesla network is. We've had our Mach-e Rally for a few weeks, and did a trip from Bethlehem PA to Toronto Canada and back - 800miles round trip. As this was the first time I was interested more in finding good chargers than I was in having a super-efficient trip, I charged 3 times on the way north, but coming back I charged twice only.

We don't have our tesla adapter yet, but on the way up I was able to charge at:

• a Magic-Dock-equipped Tesla super-charger at Kirkwood just south of Binghampton. I was the only car there. 11 empty chargers beside me.
• EA station at the Waterloo Premium Outlets on the Thruway north of the Finger Lakes - 3 of 4 chargers working - again I was the only one there.
• a Magic-Dock-equipped Tesla super-charger at Batavia Downs also on the Thruway - didn't need to stop here, but figured I'd just check it out. Again, mine was the only car there - 7 empty stalls (well 6 because I was blocking 2 of them)
• I also tried to charge at an AppleGreen's highway rest stop setup, which isn't on the Ford app. Wasn't able to get it to charge, but wow did a lot of people walk over to oogle the Rally!!!

On the way back, I tried to make it a bit more efficient.

• Charged at the same EA station at the Waterloo Premium Outlets. I filled out the notification of a broken charger on the EA app. Also, it was busier. I was charging on a 350kW station and a Ioniq 5 pulled up. So I moved over to a 150kW station when the person charging there was done, so the Ioniq could charge faster.
• I was heading for the Kirkwood super-charger again, but decided to stop for starbucks in Cortland, halfway between Syracuse and Binghampton, and lo and behold, another surprise Magic-Dock-equipped supercharger in the Starbucks parking lot - completely empty! I charged up, pulled over to the far right so I wouldn't block two stations. And while I was charging an F-150 Lightning pulled in beside me and also charged. No Teslas there at all.

Because we have family in the Toronto area we do this trip a LOT. I've done it in a couple Teslas in the past as well - quite a few times. I found the Mach-e to be even better than the Teslas - so many magic-dock stations PLUS the EA - the Mach-e had all the benefit of Tesla chargers plus more! The drive normally takes 7 hours, but driving back in the Mach-e took 8 - basically I charged for 25-30 minutes at the two charge locations, and made it home with 9% battery remaining.

I expect things will be a bit different when we do the drive in the Winter, but there are so many charging options, I'm more curious than worried. We should be fine.

I also do agree with the OP about not going electric-only - we have the Mach-e and also a Ford Explorer ST. Wouldn't want to have electric-only. But the Explorer sure is spending a lot of time sitting in the garage - we pull it out to keep it limbered up, and we use it for very long trips - Florida, Winnipeg, etc.

 

[Old_Norm]

...And as was pointed out by 1Mache, 56%, they have a college degree, which is an associates or bachelor's degree and is on par with the national average of 54%.

Sorry, but you have not made your case with the information you've referenced.

And again just to remind you, the whole "nerd math" "big-brain" comments were made in jest. So we are arguing over stupid shit.

As I said to your reference, 1Mache, " The data is 56% of EV owners are college graduates. You are comparing EV owners to the general population. Compare the percentage of ICE vehicle owners with college degrees to EV owners with college degrees and you would be more accurate."

Do you listen to yourself?
"And again just to remind you, the whole "nerd math" "big-brain" comments were made in jest. So we are arguing over stupid shit."
You have replied to my every post. Who's arguing? lol I am surprised you describe your nerd math comment as, "...stupid shit." At least you are honest in that respect.

Again, empty words with nothing to back up your position. I guess you think insulting BEV owners is somehow proving your point.

"...stuck up white people who have an overabundance of self importance (i.e. Coastal and Enviro elites).

Very classy.

So here's your chance to redeem yourself. Provide any evidence what so ever (anything) that this graph from https://www.researchgate.net/figure...-a-new-car-in-the-last-5-years_fig5_269694568 is incorrect.

 

[Old_Norm]

I also do agree with the OP about not going electric-only - we have the Mach-e and also a Ford Explorer ST. Wouldn't want to have electric-only. But the Explorer sure is spending a lot of time sitting in the garage - we pull it out to keep it limbered up, and we use it for very long trips - Florida, Winnipeg, etc.

I think the ideal and less stress free adoption of BEVs for current ICE vehicle owners is to own a Hybrid (or ICE) and a BEV. I have the MME and a Maverick Hybrid. Although, like you, the Mverick is spending more down time than the MME.

 

[Old_Norm]

The data come from "Studying the PEV market in california: Comparing the PEV, PHEV and hybrid markets".

As I said previously, it's skewed data because it is based on California-only research, which can't be normalized and made representative of US National statistics. The EV environmental movement gestated in California in the 1960's with the organization of CARB in 1967. EV as a believed solution to anthropogenic climate change IS a California-based supposition. The goal of CARB has always been the reduction and eventual elimination of tailpipe emissions. This is not my opinion, it's historical information found by researching CARB.

Stop taking challenges to your belief system as insults. Try to be less sensitive.

Opinion, opinion, opinions, you are helpless when it come to debating. Here's non CA specific data:

Education Level

" Education levels further distinguish potential EV buyers. Those with higher education, particularly bachelor’s and graduate degrees, show a greater propensity to buy an electric car. In contrast, individuals with only a high school education or less are more likely to reject the idea of an EV. This suggests that educational attainment may influence awareness and acceptance of new technologies. "
https://climatecrisis247.com/news/w...rther distinguish potential,the idea of an EV.

Education Level

Breaking down consumers by education level shows another distinct pattern. Individuals with a graduate degree are two times more likely to own an electric vehicle. Those with graduate degrees made up 28 percent of electric vehicle market share, compared to those with no college education, which made up just 11 percent.
https://www.experian.com/blogs/insights/the-story-behind-whos-buying-electric-vehicles/

Ownership of battery electric vehicles

"Education emerges as a positive predictor of BEV adoption across various studies. For example, education level significantly correlates with BEV market share but not PEV in the United States42. A high percentage of university education among early BEV adopters in North America and long-term commitment to BEV technology is reported22. Similarly, many PEV users in China hold college and university degrees29. Further, individuals with higher education levels tend to have a greater awareness of EVs. These people are more likely to adopt them due to their affordability and environmental awareness25,"
https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-024-01303-z

Game, set, match.

 

[Mach1E]

The very definition of apples to oranges. The data is 56% of EV owners are college graduates. You are comparing EV owners to the general population. Compare the percentage of ICE vehicle owners with college degrees to EV owners with college degrees and you would be more accurate.

What?

If 56% of EV owners have college degrees compared to 54% of EVERYONE having college degrees….. we have all the data we need to determine that when it comes to college degrees, EV owners are statistically AVERAGE. ?‍

If you really wanted to dig into it even more, you already stated that EV owners tend to be younger. And guess what younger adults have more of compared to older adults? College degrees.

Either way you slice it, there isn’t anything special about EV owners when it comes to college degrees.

 

[Mach1E]

As I said to your reference, 1Mache, " The data is 56% of EV owners are college graduates. You are comparing EV owners to the general population. Compare the percentage of ICE vehicle owners with college degrees to EV owners with college degrees and you would be more accurate."

Do you listen to yourself?
"And again just to remind you, the whole "nerd math" "big-brain" comments were made in jest. So we are arguing over stupid shit."
You have replied to my every post. Who's arguing? lol I am surprised you describe your nerd math comment as, "...stupid shit." At least you are honest in that respect.

Again, empty words with nothing to back up your position. I guess you think insulting BEV owners is somehow proving your point.

"...stuck up white people who have an overabundance of self importance (i.e. Coastal and Enviro elites).

Very classy.

So here's your chance to redeem yourself. Provide any evidence what so ever (anything) that this graph from https://www.researchgate.net/figure...-a-new-car-in-the-last-5-years_fig5_269694568 is incorrect.

That source data is from California in 2013.

Safe to say that it’s not representative of the country as a whole and a lot of things have changed in the BEV market in the last decade.

In the end whether it’s true or not it will become more and more untrue as more people drive BEVs.

Isn’t it the goal that the average person drives one?

Not surprised there was an education difference in 2013 though. Teslas weren’t cheap.

 

[Old_Norm]

What?

If 56% of EV owners have college degrees compared to 54% of EVERYONE having college degrees….. we have all the data we need to determine that when it comes to college degrees, EV owners are statistically AVERAGE. ?‍

If you really wanted to dig into it even more, you already stated that EV owners tend to be younger. And guess what younger adults have more of compared to older adults? College degrees.

Either way you slice it, there isn’t anything special about EV owners when it comes to college degrees.

That is incorrect. Your assumption is, because 54% of US residents have college degrees 54% or ICE vehicles owners have college degrees. About 32% of US citizens report owning guns. Does that mean only 32% of NRA Members own guns? According to the CDC, approximately 41.9% of American adults are considered obese. Does that mean that 41.9% of the US Olympic team are obese? Approximately 1.2% of the US workforce are farmers. Does that mean that 1.2% percent of the people living in New York City are farmers?

I hope that explains the error in your logic.

 

[Old_Norm]

That source data is from California in 2013.

Safe to say that it’s not representative of the country as a whole and a lot of things have changed in the BEV market in the last decade.

In the end whether it’s true or not it will become more and more untrue as more people drive BEVs.

Isn’t it the goal that the average person drives one?

Not surprised there was an education difference in 2013 though. Teslas weren’t cheap.

Read Post #282 and let me know what you think.

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