How is this car not selling better?

[Sandpiper]

Modern ICEV, with 15 - 20 computer modules, use a large wet cell/AGM 12V battery on the order of 60 to 90 amp-hour. My experience with my cars has been such batteries easily provide a service life between 5 to 9 years. My BMWs mount the battery in trunk to keep it away from underhood temperature extremes (and for chassis weight balance), which helps with longevity.

I see LVB battery issues several EV have as a case of using an undersized battery for the 12V electrical system. What I've read is most EV use a 35 amp-hour battery. A moden EV has no less a current draw than a modern ICEV. It's understood ICEV need a battery with a large current capacity to start an engine on a sub zero winter day, but also the batteries are powerful to support keeping modules energized during sleep mode.

It seems like a design flaw IMO.

I fully agree it's undersized. They should bump up the size or even better have a 2nd smaller 12v that acts as backup.

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[Blue highway]

So you posted completely false data and then in response just move on to completely different country?

Can you stop first and admit that the data you posted was completely false?

Then let’s move on together to find a better source, if it exists.

As far as I’ve seen, the available data online is somewhere between completely fabricated (what you initially posted) and sparse (what you’re posting now).

We don’t have good enough data to draw conclusions. But at the very least we have anecdotal evidence from firefighters that “it’s a real problem.”

Edit- I finished reading that Forbes article and it’s quoting the SAME false data you posted earlier. ?

“ A report from AutoinsuranceEX said EVs exhibited 61 times fewer fires per 100,000 sales than ICE vehicles.”

That is the FABRICATED report!!

uh huh... you didn't read the other sources...
The Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency (MSB) reported 23 fires in 611,000 EVs during 2022, or 0.004 per cent in a year, which makes it 20 times less likely to happen than ICE car fires, which burned 3,400 times in 4.4 million cars, or 0.08 per cent.

20x? 60x? it's a big difference.

main point is that ICE cars catch on fire more frequently than EVs.. do you deny this?

 

[Dear_OP]

Modern vehicles with emphasis on electronics that are connected to their mothership servers do need big batteries.

I can only surmise automakers program some sort of logic to charge the LVB yet maintaining healthy HVB. It's not like the old days where one fire up the good old engine and go up and down the hwy to "charge 'er up!".

 

[Mach1E]

uh huh... you didn't read the other sources...
The Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency (MSB) reported 23 fires in 611,000 EVs during 2022, or 0.004 per cent in a year, which makes it 20 times less likely to happen than ICE car fires, which burned 3,400 times in 4.4 million cars, or 0.08 per cent.

20x? 60x? it's a big difference.

main point is that ICE cars catch on fire more frequently than EVs.. do you deny this?

60x is completely fabricated.

20x is from a very small study in a different country without details on the source data. I looked at a TON of articles repeating the same 20x stat, and only ONE admitted the “all cars” stat included ARSON, which made the data nearly impossible to compare. Why a car catches fire definitely matters.

I’m saying we don’t know the real numbers, but it’s definitely NOT the 60x numbers you posted or anything near that.

In fact the Car and Driver article I posted stated that the ICE numbers were off by…… a factor of 60.

 

[luckie]

It sells like a quarter of the similar Tesla model (at least per most recent numbers I saw)

tesla had a decade head start, Ford Mach-E has been the best seller against all the new players (in the US) for years (2022/2024).

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