Recall #25S65 - 12V battery discharge may cause door lock-out (Vehicle Entrapment Allegations). Stop Sales issued by Ford

[stoopid]

It's very difficult to break a window with a knife blade. A rock would be better.

It looks like the metal nub on the butt end of the knife's handle they linked to is the glass breaking pressure point, same for any of the various glass breaking escape tools that can be purchased.

Please, no one wait for 911 if someone or something (pet) is stuck inside the vehicle in the summer. Car interiors get dangerously hot in about 10 minutes in direct sun. Break/smash whatever it takes. Cars be be repaired easier than people.

Worth reminding everyone that the sny remarks over a .03% chance occurrence (even lower now that all the MMEs owners will be aware of the issue should their battery die) is wasted energy. The thing is a thing, and you're either ready to handle the situation or you're not. Until further notice, better to get everyone out if the battery appears dead.

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[milepost1]

It looks like the metal nub on the butt end of the knife's handle they linked to is the glass breaking pressure point, same for any of the various glass breaking escape tools that can be purchased.

Please, no one wait for 911 if someone or something (pet) is stuck inside the vehicle in the summer. Car interiors get dangerously hot in about 10 minutes in direct sun. Break/smash whatever it takes. Cars be be repaired easier than people.

Use head rest if inside, whatever you can outside. How often is someone locked in when everyone locked out and can't open door? But we have warning to check back seat cause 1 guy said he forgot his kids in car.

 

[Rigatoni]

I'm surprised they are halting deliveries.

Yeah, it's 100% a liability thing. Trust me, if it had been up to me I would have taken delivery of my car yesterday if I had the choice - I said it earlier in thread, but I currently have no reliable car. I took time off around the 4th to take a road trip in my new MME, and now that's totally up in the air.

But yeah if they'd sold me the car knowing about this issue, if someone gets locked inside my car and dies, that would be the lawsuit to end all lawsuits. My sales dude said they can't allow any test drives either, he had a test drive scheduled that night he had to call and cancel as well.

 

[rreddy3]

Good, that is the root cause of certain lockouts when there is a 12V battery failure that occurs immediately after switching off the vehicle (because the DC/DC shuts off) which caused a lockout situation after exiting and closing the door. When the door is opened mechanically, the door latch modules are not registering the state change from locked to unlocked properly, which causes the door to remain locked after having been opened and closed. This will cause you to be locked out after exiting until you are able to restore 12V power.

Lee, do you know if this lockout issue is a continuation of last year’s lockout issue or if it is new and unrelated?

My recollection is an OTA, 10.0 or 10.1 (?), was pushed out last year and was considered the fix for the priblem at that time. After I received that OTA I dismantled the cord emergency opening patch you had devised.

Your suggesred emergency fix worked in my testing after I set it up but fortunately never had to use it in an actual lock out. Perhaps it’s time for a redo of it …

Thanks,

 

[Byrus]

Yeah, it's 100% a liability thing. Trust me, if it had been up to me I would have taken delivery of my car yesterday if I had the choice - I said it earlier in thread, but I currently have no reliable car. I took time off around the 4th to take a road trip in my new MME, and now that's totally up in the air.

But yeah if they'd sold me the car knowing about this issue, if someone gets locked inside my car and dies, that would be the lawsuit to end all lawsuits. My sales dude said they can't allow any test drives either, he had a test drive scheduled that night he had to call and cancel as well.

Sorry to hear that. It still seems crazy unless this is different than what all prior year cars have to deal with.

 

[Vernal]

This is what I carry. I haven't used it on glass, so don't know how well it works.
https://store.smith-wesson.com/tact...border-guard-tanto-folding-knife/SWBG10S.html

I have a very similar knife that is always in my pocket I was starting to think I was weird, glad to see I'm not alone!

This is definitely a huge problem though, I think most people don't have a glass breaker in their pocket all the time.

Yeah, it's 100% a liability thing. Trust me, if it had been up to me I would have taken delivery of my car yesterday if I had the choice - I said it earlier in thread, but I currently have no reliable car. I took time off around the 4th to take a road trip in my new MME, and now that's totally up in the air.

But yeah if they'd sold me the car knowing about this issue, if someone gets locked inside my car and dies, that would be the lawsuit to end all lawsuits. My sales dude said they can't allow any test drives either, he had a test drive scheduled that night he had to call and cancel as well.

This really sucks. I also have a car on order that I've been waiting months for so I'm hoping this is fixed soon.

 

[HuntingPudel]

That's why my butt looks huge on only one side...it's the large jump pack in my rear pocket....

I can just imagine you asking your wife if your jump pack makes your butt look big... ??

 

[superdave80]

I can't imagine there would be any other way to break a window other than that tool.

I know you are trying sound clever, but the point of my post was: Why bother buying a window breaking tool and put it in the glove box if you are going to be outside the vehicle when you need to break the window?

 

[devmach-e]

I know you are trying sound clever, but the point of my post was: Why bother buying a window breaking tool and put it in the glove box if you are going to be outside the vehicle when you need to break the window?

Because usually this tool is used by the occupants who are trapped inside the car after an accident of some sort.

 

[superdave80]

Because usually this tool is used by the occupants who are trapped inside the car after an accident of some sort.

Which is the opposite of the scenario we are talking about, so the tool wouldn't help at all.

 

[stoopid]

I know you are trying sound clever, but the point of my post was: Why bother buying a window breaking tool and put it in the glove box if you are going to be outside the vehicle when you need to break the window?

It serves more than the one purpose of one scenario in this thread. I know your question was you trying to sound clever...

 

[stoopid]

Which is the opposite of the scenario we are talking about, so the tool wouldn't help at all.

It can though if an able bodied passenger just happened to get stuck [oops, I got in and shut the door/forgot]. And as mentioned a few times now, the tools can be life savers in other more likely (but still, thankfully, rare) situations.

The tool I linked to is $4 each shipped on amazon prime. Also comes with a seat belt cutter. The resistence to the idea is staggering, if not boldly contrarian.

 

[superdave80]

It can though if an able bodied passenger just happened to get stuck.

From the very, very first post of this thread:
"An occupant who remains inside a locked vehicle and unable to use an inside door release handle may be unable to be rapidly retrieved by a passenger who has exited the vehicle. "

If the person is not physically able to pull a door release, they aren't going to be able to use a glass breaking tool.

Just to be clear to everybody: Yes, there are situations where a window breaking tool might be useful, but this situation is NOT one of them.

 

[DYohn]

This has been the case - or rather some people's fear - all along, yes? Why is this news?

 

[stoopid]

From the very, very first post of this thread:
"An occupant who remains inside a locked vehicle and unable to use an inside door release handle may be unable to be rapidly retrieved by a passenger who has exited the vehicle. "

If the person is not physically able to pull a door release, they aren't going to be able to use a glass breaking tool.

Just to be clear to everybody: Yes, there are situations where a window breaking tool might be useful, but this situation is NOT one of them.

Maybe I'm misinterpretting the situation, as my understanding is that the door handle release doesn't work because the car thinks it's locked/won't unlock/can't unlock using the handle. Is the lock actuator powered on the MME, or will the cable in the door actually pull the lock open?

[I think I can answer my own question: to exit the vehicle at all in the scenario, the interior door handle must work else no one could exit]

Problem solved I suppose. No need to spend $4, for this situation. Still worried about the people who posted that don't know what to do if someone is indeed trpped inside. Hopefully someone like me rides up. As stoopid and clever as I am. ?

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