Installed Mach-E Rally Springs on my 2023 RWD ER

[IgorKl]

No they have not. They feel it fits every model perfectly and it DOES NOT. Their sway bars do not conform to the same shape as the OEM' like Eibach's do. Plus you must install their front end links which require a specific length setting depending on if you have a Premium or GT and have to be greased at least every 10K miles. The Eibach's use the OEM end links. No adjustments, no greasing and absolutely no issues.

thank you! will go with Eibach.

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[markboris]

thank you! will go with Eibach.

AND one plus with Eibach that you don't get with Steeda are Zerk (grease) fittings on the bushing brackets should you ever have to grease the bushings. You need to use a good grease and not the stuff that comes with the sway bars. I recommend Green Grease. This is what I have used on the sway bars I've installed on quite a few Mach-E's since 2022 and as of yet, none have had to be re-greased.

 

[vvelocityy]

any recs and pricing for shops in socal/orange county area? debating on the rally springs and eibach sway bars.. and possibly hankook ion evo... really looking to improve the bumps and rough ride on my 23 prem - otherwise it could be a switch to the juniper for me. i've got weird random squeaks on the back tires and my brakes creak like hell even my friends who are hearing it from outside of the car are concerned. dealership has said nothing is wrong. got 32k left on financing+balloon.

 

[HuntingPudel]

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I recommend Green Grease. This is what I have used on the sway bars I've installed on quite a few Mach-E's since 2022 and as of yet, none have had to be re-greased.

I second the Green Grease. It’s almost identical to the Sta-Lube Blue Marine Grease I have been using since the early ‘80s. I started researching replacement lubricants as soon as I heard Sta-Lube was discontinuing the Marine Grease and started using the Green Grease as soon as I ran out of the last case of the blue stuff. ??

 

[hollywood2311]

Does the standard range LFP version have the same shocks as the ER RWD model? I'm wondering if I should keep the OEM shocks or go with something else?

 

[markboris]

Does the standard range LFP version have the same shocks as the ER RWD model? I'm wondering if I should keep the OEM shocks or go with something else?

I would keep your shocks. There is very little difference if any at all between models with AWD, STD and EXT batteries. The big difference in shocks is between all models and the GT. GT shocks are more firm and the GT with Magneride is completely different. The Ford shocks are actually pretty good and no high quality shocks are available for the Mach-E anyway.

 

[phil]

I would keep your shocks. There is very little difference if any at all between models with AWD, STD and EXT batteries. The big difference in shocks is between all models and the GT. GT shocks are more firm and the GT with Magneride is completely different. The Ford shocks are actually pretty good and no high quality shocks are available for the Mach-E anyway.

Would your advice be the same for a GT? That is, keep the shocks even if you change the springs and sway bars?

 

[markboris]

Would your advice be the same for a GT? That is, keep the shocks even if you change the springs and sway bars?

Yes

 

[Av8or]

I just received my Rally springs, even the back ordered ones just took over a week to arrive, so don't let that scare you off. Since no one has posted it yet, I'll post some pictures and a step by step guide on how to replace your springs. I just need a free weekend to actually get to it.

 

[markboris]

I just received my Rally springs, even the back ordered ones just took over a week to arrive, so don't let that scare you off. Since no one has posted it yet, I'll post some pictures and a step by step guide on how to replace your springs. I just need a free weekend to actually get to it.

I've been replacing springs on Mach-E's since 2022. Probably have done at least 15 by now. I've lowered GTPE's with Magneride suspensions, raised Premium's with Eibach's Rally lift springs before the OEM Rally springs were available, recently installed OEM Rally springs on a GT and this weekend lowering another member’s GT with Eibach lowering springs (plus sway bars and new tires). I even installed an Air Suspension when I had my '21 GTPE. I've started several threads and have posted over 200 comments on spring replacements but I've never posted a step by step on how to replace them. Several others here have replaced their springs and posted some photos but you will probably be the first to do a detailed step by step guide!

I did post the procedure on replacing the front and rear springs from the Ford Mach-E repair manual at the end of the first post in one of my spring threads below. I just updated it with the latest torque specs.
https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/eibach-gt-pro-kit-lowering-springs-on-a-gtpe.33310/

 

[viche12345]

Anyone here in need of ONE pair of 1/4" spacers? Like I said earlier in this thread, I bought them thinking I'd need it for a 2022 SR RWD, but ended up not being necessary.

So, I have a pair of these spacers just collecting dust in my garage, and am willing to give them away.

Would anyone be interested? Just paying for the shipping cost will suffice.

EDIT: Sold!

 

[ElectricSnowbird]

I installed the MME Rally's front and rear springs on a 2023 RWD ER MME about a week ago. I've been talking with @markboris for a while now about how to improve ride comfort for someone who mainly uses the MME for commutes. My main goal was to soften the ride for rear passengers. Browsing the forums, I saw that there were two options, the progressive Eibach GT performance lowering springs and the linear Eibach lift springs. I copy and pasted their specifications below.

GT lowering springs
Part# E10-35-054-04-22 Pro-Kit
Front – 148-235 lbs/in (progressive)
Rear – 799-1089 lbs/in (progressive)
Lowers: 1.4" Front, 1.3" Rear

Lift springs
Part# E30-35-054-01-22 Pro-Kit
Front – 200 lbs/in (linear)
Rear – 950 lbs/in (linear)
EXT. Bat. Raises: 1.5" Front, 1.5" Rear
STD. Bat Raises: 1.8” Front, 1.8” Rear

I wanted springs which had a softer spring rate like the GT springs without the drop, because I remember reading about the poor Ioniq 5 owner who hit road debris and totaled his car because of suspected battery damage. I saw that MotorTrend posted an article about the Rally where they stated that Ford developed new springs which were 20% and 35% softer in the front and rear respectively compared to a GT. Furthermore, the springs were taller with a 0.8" lift compared to a GT. Huge shoutout to @markboris for finding out from Eibach that the GT springs are ~225lbs/in and ~1015lbs/in in the front and rear respectively which makes the Rally springs ~180lbs/in and ~660lbs/in in the front and rear respectively. This provides a dual benefit, because the springs are both softer and also taller which increases the number of coils which can be compressed. I decided to install them on my RWD ER since they provided the ideal combination that I wanted: softer springs without lowering the car.

Ride comfort: I immediately noticed that the ride is definitely softer than before. There is a street near me that has extremely uneven pavement, and whenever I drove on it I was constantly being jostled around. I drove on that road again, and I noticed a huge difference. I no longer feel any of the small bumps and imperfections on the road. Any larger bumps/imperfections were significantly duller and less bothersome. I no longer felt like I was being jostled left to right over the uneven surface. I also drove over some speed bumps. I used to be unable to drive over them at any speed greater than 20mph, because the rear always felt like it was slamming back down. This always knocked the cargo floor off the top position. Now I am able to comfortably able to go over them at speeds ranging from 20-30mph without that sensation. Honestly it feels pretty close to my wife's RAV4 in terms of ride comfort over uneven surfaces. Truly feels like a different car.

Bounce: I took it out on a road near me that I know induces the bounce, and I was very happy to find out that the new springs reduced the bounce. I no longer felt like the car was ping-ponging up and down. As a caveat though I put 120lb of concrete blocks in the subtrunk a while ago to help reduce the bounciness, and I kept them in the vehicle when I tested it again. This kind of makes sense since the rear bounce is likely caused by a combination of a high spring rate and weak dampers.

An unexpected consequence though was that the front of my car was about 0.7" taller than the rear of the car. At first, @markboris, @HuntingPudel, and I had no idea why that was the case, but then it came to @markboris that my car is missing the front motor and is lighter in the front compared to the AWD/GT/Rally MMEs. I'll be installing the spacers and aligning the car this week.

Pros:
- Ride is much smoother now
- Bounce is not as pronounced

Cons:
- You have to get 2x 1/4" spacers to restore the original rake if you have a RWD car
- Vehicle is about 0.8" taller but honestly not noticable
- Can be expensive to replace springs + align

Parts: (Edit: Many members have found that these parts are now on backorder and that the rear spring has been replaced with a new part that is much more expensive)
2x RK9Z-5310-A --> Front spring
2x RK9Z-5560-A --> Rear spring ("Sport Appearance Pack" is the Rally package for the GT)
2x 1/4" spacers --> https://www.steeda.com/steeda-s550-...iW94m_dtkhNF6yKN9akH2Gkoq7M3Fmu68T6IRYljjKhkI

I ordered the springs from fordpartspros.com for about $300 after shipping.

Side profile

Front

Rear


Huge thanks to @markboris for all his help!

Oh wow I didn't know you could just buy parts of the kit from Eibach

I installed the MME Rally's front and rear springs on a 2023 RWD ER MME about a week ago. I've been talking with @markboris for a while now about how to improve ride comfort for someone who mainly uses the MME for commutes. My main goal was to soften the ride for rear passengers. Browsing the forums, I saw that there were two options, the progressive Eibach GT performance lowering springs and the linear Eibach lift springs. I copy and pasted their specifications below.

GT lowering springs
Part# E10-35-054-04-22 Pro-Kit
Front – 148-235 lbs/in (progressive)
Rear – 799-1089 lbs/in (progressive)
Lowers: 1.4" Front, 1.3" Rear

Lift springs
Part# E30-35-054-01-22 Pro-Kit
Front – 200 lbs/in (linear)
Rear – 950 lbs/in (linear)
EXT. Bat. Raises: 1.5" Front, 1.5" Rear
STD. Bat Raises: 1.8” Front, 1.8” Rear

I wanted springs which had a softer spring rate like the GT springs without the drop, because I remember reading about the poor Ioniq 5 owner who hit road debris and totaled his car because of suspected battery damage. I saw that MotorTrend posted an article about the Rally where they stated that Ford developed new springs which were 20% and 35% softer in the front and rear respectively compared to a GT. Furthermore, the springs were taller with a 0.8" lift compared to a GT. Huge shoutout to @markboris for finding out from Eibach that the GT springs are ~225lbs/in and ~1015lbs/in in the front and rear respectively which makes the Rally springs ~180lbs/in and ~660lbs/in in the front and rear respectively. This provides a dual benefit, because the springs are both softer and also taller which increases the number of coils which can be compressed. I decided to install them on my RWD ER since they provided the ideal combination that I wanted: softer springs without lowering the car.

Ride comfort: I immediately noticed that the ride is definitely softer than before. There is a street near me that has extremely uneven pavement, and whenever I drove on it I was constantly being jostled around. I drove on that road again, and I noticed a huge difference. I no longer feel any of the small bumps and imperfections on the road. Any larger bumps/imperfections were significantly duller and less bothersome. I no longer felt like I was being jostled left to right over the uneven surface. I also drove over some speed bumps. I used to be unable to drive over them at any speed greater than 20mph, because the rear always felt like it was slamming back down. This always knocked the cargo floor off the top position. Now I am able to comfortably able to go over them at speeds ranging from 20-30mph without that sensation. Honestly it feels pretty close to my wife's RAV4 in terms of ride comfort over uneven surfaces. Truly feels like a different car.

Bounce: I took it out on a road near me that I know induces the bounce, and I was very happy to find out that the new springs reduced the bounce. I no longer felt like the car was ping-ponging up and down. As a caveat though I put 120lb of concrete blocks in the subtrunk a while ago to help reduce the bounciness, and I kept them in the vehicle when I tested it again. This kind of makes sense since the rear bounce is likely caused by a combination of a high spring rate and weak dampers.

An unexpected consequence though was that the front of my car was about 0.7" taller than the rear of the car. At first, @markboris, @HuntingPudel, and I had no idea why that was the case, but then it came to @markboris that my car is missing the front motor and is lighter in the front compared to the AWD/GT/Rally MMEs. I'll be installing the spacers and aligning the car this week.

Pros:
- Ride is much smoother now
- Bounce is not as pronounced

Cons:
- You have to get 2x 1/4" spacers to restore the original rake if you have a RWD car
- Vehicle is about 0.8" taller but honestly not noticable
- Can be expensive to replace springs + align

Parts: (Edit: Many members have found that these parts are now on backorder and that the rear spring has been replaced with a new part that is much more expensive)
2x RK9Z-5310-A --> Front spring
2x RK9Z-5560-A --> Rear spring ("Sport Appearance Pack" is the Rally package for the GT)
2x 1/4" spacers --> https://www.steeda.com/steeda-s550-...iW94m_dtkhNF6yKN9akH2Gkoq7M3Fmu68T6IRYljjKhkI

I ordered the springs from fordpartspros.com for about $300 after shipping.

Side profile

Front

Rear


Huge thanks to @markboris for all his help!

Hey, thanks for the details. I've been meaning to pull the trigger and get softer springs for my 2022 MMEx RWD, and finally got it done. I agree it softens the ride a little. And the body is lifted about 1.5 inches. No problem. But it looks like it might take a different size tire. I'm thinking of the new Pirelli's to reduce the noise further. Do you know if I need a different size tire than the original Michelins 225/55ZR19XL?

 

[HuntingPudel]

Hey, thanks for the details. I've been meaning to pull the trigger and get softer springs for my 2022 MMEx RWD, and finally got it done. I agree it softens the ride a little. And the body is lifted about 1.5 inches. No problem. But it looks like it might take a different size tire. I'm thinking of the new Pirelli's to reduce the noise further. Do you know if I need a different size tire than the original Michelins 225/55ZR19XL?

The springs don’t specifically require a different size tire but you could go up to a 235 section width tire like the Rally uses, which would slightly increase the outside diameter of the tire. Note that you will have to lower your tire pressure slightly due to the tire’s higher load carrying ability and wheel and tire geometry (if you are not increasing wheel width). ??

 

[ElectricSnowbird]

Appreciate it, Steve. Would you expect further improvement in the ride if I went to a 235 section tire?

 

[HuntingPudel]

Appreciate it, Steve. Would you expect further improvement in the ride if I went to a 235 section tire?

If by “improvement in ride” you mean a softer ride, probably so because you will need to run a lower tire pressure due to the tire’s higher load carrying capacity. If you are concerned with uncontrolled secondary and tertiary harmonics, the answer is maybe since the tires with less pressure will be bouncier and depending on pressure/weight/frequency the tires could amplify or dampen these harmonics. A 235 will reduce your fuel efficiency though. ??

Another thing to consider is if you are driving a non-Magneride car, you can run 18” wheels and tires (Magneride cars have bigger brakes and some 19” are even too small to fit over them - 18 inchers are right out). Going down on wheel diameter increases sidewall height, increasing the amount of cushioning between the suspension and the road. A lot of people have also gone to smaller diameter wheels to soften the ride. ??

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