Recall #25S65 - 12V battery discharge may cause door lock-out (Vehicle Entrapment Allegations). Stop Sales issued by Ford

[DragonmasterLou]

Mine just arrived at the dealer yesterday ?

There’s nothing else new on the market right now that piques my interest at the price point I want to spend, otherwise I would look into other options. So I shall continue to play the waiting game.

I wanted mine for this summer. It's the only reason I put my deposit down back in February. If I had known it would be delayed this long, I wouldn't have bothered.

I'm giving them until early July. Even if I have to eat my deposit, if I don't have something by then, I'm moving on.

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[devmach-e]

Yeah... I'm fed up with this... I'll give them until the first week of July or so. If there's nothing then, I'm moving on.

This is past ridiculous. I put a deposit for a dealer stock order back in February. One reason I went with the dealer stock, despite it not being 100% what I wanted, is that it was close enough and the salesperson said that if I put in a custom order, I'd have to wait until the end of the summer vs. March, according to the salesman. I've even changed to a different dealer stock order because my original one was delayed for so long.

Now it looks like I may be waiting until after summer. If I had known this would've been the issue, I wouldn't have bothered and have looked at other options.

I ordered mine on September 3rd, 2021. It got made on January 3rd, 2022. And then went to a parking lot for 2 months to wait for 2 chips to be installed. I finally picked it up on May 5th, 2022.

At the time I ordered, models on dealer lots were going for $5K or $10K over MSRP because of constrained supply (Covid). I don't regret waiting 8 months. I got the exact car I wanted and didn't have to pay ADM. Plus there were a bunch of incentives available at the time the lowered the cost by significant amount. I realize things are much different 3 years later, supplies are plentiful. The stop sale sucks, for sure.

 

[Skyman63]

If the bumper wires were fro jumping the 12V they would be a safety hazard. They are only for popping the frunk release and only work if the 12V battery is gonzo dead. ??

A lead to the 12v battery would have to be capped in some way though to prevent water from entering it during driving and washing.

Besides that, would it really be that much of a safety hazard? I mean, think of all the 12v wiring that is right up front in the same general area. Headlights, blinkers, air shutters, frunk release, and on GT's the light up pony. Not to mention the fact that on many ICE cars the 12v battery is right behind the front grille. In a front end accident, all of that wiring is at risk of being exposed.

The issue I see is that the 12v battery can evidently be weak enough the door mechanism doesn't work, but not dead enough to be able to use the leads to pop open the frunk and jump the 12v battery. I wonder if the software fix is going to address that?

 

[E90alex]

I wonder if the software fix is going to address that?

No.

The recall fix is only to prevent a very specific scenario where people/pets who are unable to use the inside door handles can get trapped inside the car. This pretty much only occurs if the 12V happens to die while driving and you shut off the car before unlocking or opening any door.

 

[Star Lord]

I guess the thing that really got me was that there were just 2 bare wires stuck in there. It looked so amateur. I would have liked to have seen something a little better designed than just 2 wires crammed into a cavity. It made me wonder what other engineering choices that were sub optimal in the design. Oh yes the door locks.

 

[Skyman63]

No.

The recall fix is only to prevent a very specific scenario where people/pets who are unable to use the inside door handles can get trapped inside the car. This pretty much only occurs if the 12V happens to die while driving and you shut off the car before unlocking or opening any door.

It's my understanding that an able bodied person would not be able to be locked in the car because if you pull the indoor handles back far enough, there is in fact a mechanical release. I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere in this thread, but not going back through 23 pages to find it.

And even if there is no mechanical release, if the car was functioning while running, then the 12v battery died immediately after shutting it off, the capacitor in the door should be charged up enough for at least one open. So I thought the issue is when someone got out of the car and closed the door behind them, and couldn't get back in from the outside to get pet/infant/person unable to use indoor latch. In that case, being able to use the frunk leads to gain access to the 12v would be useful.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

Hopefully you are right, but if I had one on order I would start making contingency plans

Only 90 days till they’re late.

 

[E90alex]

It's my understanding that an able bodied person would not be able to be locked in the car because if you pull the indoor handles back far enough, there is in fact a mechanical release. I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere in this thread, but not going back through 23 pages to find it.

And even if there is no mechanical release, if the car was functioning while running, then the 12v battery died immediately after shutting it off, the capacitor in the door should be charged up enough for at least one open. So I thought the issue is when someone got out of the car and closed the door behind them, and couldn't get back in from the outside to get pet/infant/person unable to use indoor latch. In that case, being able to use the frunk leads to gain access to the 12v would be useful.

That’s correct. An able bodied person can get out of the car no problem if the 12V is dead. The problem is the people who can’t open the door from the inside, who then get trapped if the front passengers close the door behind them. The recall fix prevents that scenario from happening.

Frunk leads will only help if you are somewhere where you have immediate access to a jump pack or jumper cables. If you do, then that’s great and yes you can then jump the battery and open the doors no problem.

Otherwise if you need to wait for help to arrive, interior temperatures can reach unsafe levels very quickly.

 

[corradoborg]

It's my understanding that an able bodied person would not be able to be locked in the car because if you pull the indoor handles back far enough, there is in fact a mechanical release. I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere in this thread, but not going back through 23 pages to find it.

And even if there is no mechanical release, if the car was functioning while running, then the 12v battery died immediately after shutting it off, the capacitor in the door should be charged up enough for at least one open. So I thought the issue is when someone got out of the car and closed the door behind them, and couldn't get back in from the outside to get pet/infant/person unable to use indoor latch. In that case, being able to use the frunk leads to gain access to the 12v would be useful.

That's only true of the front doors. The rear doors have no mechanical release. I assume this is due to the electronically-enabled child locks, which would be useless if there was a mechanical release. So it not only requires the rear-seat occupant to be able to open the door from the interior, they must also climb up to a front door to do it.

 

[E90alex]

That's only true of the front doors. The rear doors have no mechanical release. I assume this is due to the electronically-enabled child locks, which would be useless if there was a mechanical release. So it not only requires the rear-seat occupant to be able to open the door from the interior, they must also climb up to a front door to do it.

If 12V power is lost, the rear doors should open with a double pull of the release. Even if child lock was on.

 

[Wayne-001]

We ordered a 2021 Mach-E in May 2021. It was delivered in May 2022... You think 5 months is ridiculous?

17 months! It ended up working out well as I got the GT after the HV junction fix and at the performance price. But, very frustrating. Obviously, the Internet sales guy was a moron. I had to talk to the general manager to get this deal.

6/28/2021​	Ordered Premium AWD ER at dealer		7/5/2022​	Manufactured
6/28/2021​	Told to re-order from home		8/8/2022​	Mistakenly sold by dealer !!!
11/10/2021​	Order mistakenly canceled by dealer		8/19/2022​	Signed contract for GT at same price
11/16/2021​	Re-ordered by dealer (priority 10)		9/26/2022​	GT manufactured, shipped to MO
6/3/2022​	Scheduled for manufacture		11/29/2022​	Purchased GT !!

 

[Wayne-001]

No.

The recall fix is only to prevent a very specific scenario where people/pets who are unable to use the inside door handles can get trapped inside the car. This pretty much only occurs if the 12V happens to die while driving and you shut off the car before unlocking or opening any door.

Who doesn't shut the car off before opening the door?

 

[E90alex]

Who doesn't shut the car off before opening the door?

That’s not the uncommon portion of the scenario.

But for anyone concerned about trapping their kids or pets, you can mitigate the risk while waiting for the recall fix to roll out by unlocking or opening the door before shutting down the car in the mean time.

 

[DragonmasterLou]

I ordered mine on September 3rd, 2021. It got made on January 3rd, 2022. And then went to a parking lot for 2 months to wait for 2 chips to be installed. I finally picked it up on May 5th, 2022.

At the time I ordered, models on dealer lots were going for $5K or $10K over MSRP because of constrained supply (Covid). I don't regret waiting 8 months. I got the exact car I wanted and didn't have to pay ADM. Plus there were a bunch of incentives available at the time the lowered the cost by significant amount. I realize things are much different 3 years later, supplies are plentiful. The stop sale sucks, for sure.

Yeah... I took a test drive of a Jeep Wagoneer S today and... damn... I think I liked it better than the Mach E. I got some real thinking I need to do as to whether I'm going with the Jeep and to call my Ford dealer to cancel my Mach E deposit.

 

[devmach-e]

Yeah... I took a test drive of a Jeep Wagoneer S today and... damn... I think I liked it better than the Mach E. I got some real thinking I need to do as to whether I'm going with the Jeep and to call my Ford dealer to cancel my Mach E deposit.

At the time of ordering, the Mach-E was the best value for the money. Then again, my criteria was pretty simple: over 300 miles of range and not a Tesla. The "not a Tesla" was mostly about not liking their interior styling choices, plus the lack of a real instrument cluster, and everybody has a Tesla around here. It had less to do with Musk's behavior (though still a factor). Even when I picked the car up 8-months later, it was still the clear winner.

Thankfully in the last 3 years there's a lot more options out there at around the same price point. But nothing so great that I feel that I want to take a giant hit on depreciation. The car does what I need it to do, and the newer offerings out there don't really add anything over what I've got. Maybe slightly faster DC fast charging, which really wasn't an issue this past weekend for a 1000-mile roadtrip (gotta love that NACS to CCS adapter Ford sent me). I don't see any reason to turn the car in next year when my Ford Options is up. I'll refinance the amount due and continue to drive the car. The monthly payment is reasonable and far cheaper than anything I could buy.

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