2023 GTPE vs. 2025 GTPU

[circatee]

With the 2023 GTPE, was the performance edition a hardware solution, versus the new 2025 GT Performance Upgrade, which is software?

Thus, besides the difference in torque, is that the core difference?

Merely curious...

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[RickMachE]

2....

GTPE was a more powerful motor than non-GTPEs.

 

[silverelan]

2021-2023 GT/GTPE had the same hardware. I thought it was ostensibly a software difference and better tires on the GTPE.

iirc, people did draggy comparisons between the GT and GTPE and they were the nearly the same if not identical.

 

[HuntingPudel]

2021-2023 GT/GTPE had the same hardware. I thought it was ostensibly a software difference and better tires on the GTPE.

iirc, people did draggy comparisons between the GT and GTPE and they were the nearly the same if not identical.

2021-2023 GT-PEs had these things over the non-PE GT: ??
1) Magneride™
2) 634 lbs/ft of torque (vs. 600)
3) Bigger front brakes

The 2024-up GT has Magneride and the bigger brakes standard. The extra torque is what the $995 option gets you. ??

The GT-PE should have had a better 60 foot time than the non-Magneride car simply due to the stickier tires and extra torque. ??

 

[ack154]

2021-2023 GT-PEs had these things over the non-PE GT: ??
1) Magneride™
2) 634 lbs/ft of torque (vs. 600)
3) Bigger front brakes

The 2024-up GT has Magneride and the bigger brakes standard. The extra torque is what the $995 option gets you. ??

The GT-PE should have had a better 60 foot time than the non-Magneride car simply due to the stickier tires and extra torque. ??

Different wheels too. And the seats.

 

[Mach1E]

2021-2023 GT/GTPE had the same hardware. I thought it was ostensibly a software difference and better tires on the GTPE.

iirc, people did draggy comparisons between the GT and GTPE and they were the nearly the same if not identical.

They’re definitely within the margin of error, but with ideal conditions and full charge, all the fastest recorded times were GTPE.

The GT was able to beat advertised 3.8 0-60 times and the GTPE only seemed to be able to hit the 3.5 in ideal conditions or at the drag strip. On the street it was more like 3.6 for the GTPE and 3.7 for the GT.

The 34 lb ft of tq was half the difference and the stickier tires the other half.

 

[Nygman]

Okay I think I can help out here. I just traded in my 22 GT Performance for a 25 GT with the performance upgrade. Both had the glass roof, for what it's worth.

The differences I notice are related to driveability. The performance on the highway above 60 is noticeably improved. Accelerating to pass is much more urgent. The other thing I noticed is that as the battery goes down I really do not notice any degradation in power as I used to in the 22 with its jail bars. Granted I was at 60%, but in my old car that would be throttled, and I felt no throttling here. The torque curve is much fatter and it feels much more urgent at higher speeds. It's night and day different you will notice it. It just feels quicker everywhere. Even the sound of the fake propulsion noise sounds more aggressive, I think it's tied to the way the torque is delivered and therefore has a more aggressive sound of higher speeds. Acceleration in the upper range feels just as good as in the lower range, it really is a different driving dynamic. It also has better blue cruise that changes lanes, and a new dash layout which is kind of nice.

As to the suspension tuning I do think that's a little bit more stable. It feels smoother to me, but that just could be because it's a new car. I am comparing magnaride to magnaride so with difference may be slight, but it does feel a bit smoother.

The downsides are few, The front trunk is smaller but that accommodates a heat pump, and I live in the Northeast and that'll be very beneficial. I've also lost the metal trim that was on the bottom of the door that said mustang GT performance, it's now rubber and cast into the design. The other loss is the lack of low gear. I don't like one pedal driving but I like the ability to turn on and off more regen. However I think the regen has been tweaked, and now I prefer driving in unbridled where I used to drive in whisper most of the time. Still more in the loss of the low gear but I don't think it's a big deal in the scheme of things.

I really feel these changes all to the driving dynamic of this car, and is a great upgrade. It's $1,000 well spent.

I have noticed quite a few differences between the 22 and 25 outside of the drivability. If you want I can put together a comprehensive post on my observations but I think most important is the performance aspect, it's greatly improves, it feels more like the mustang GT 5.0 after 60 than it did before. It just has the same punch up high as it does down low. It's very impressive. I'm glad I made the change, not that I dislike the old one, but this new one is absolutely an upgrade.

 

[RockinVs]

I thought the brakes were identical on 21-23 GTs and PEs. I thought the only difference was they put a Brembo sticker on the GTPEs. My 23 GT non PE brakes look the same.

 

[HuntingPudel]

I thought the brakes were identical on 21-23 GTs and PEs. I thought the only difference was they put a Brembo sticker on the GTPEs. My 23 GT non PE brakes look the same.

Nope. Magneride 2021-2023 cars got bigger front rotors. That was one of the things that drove me to the GT-PE over the GT when I ordered my 2021. They were also supposed to have forged wheels (nope, they got regular castings). They did get the bonus of a 5 second limiter though.

 

[LinkRS]

I can speak about the 2023 GTPE, not sure about older models. The GT front motor was the same as the non-GT, but had a more powerful rear motor. The GTPE puts the same motor in both front and back (more powerful rear motor). This is where the difference in the raw (or sticker) performance comes from. The larger 20" tires also help . The matching motor is one of the reasons I went PE in the first pace. Starting in 2024, they used a new Ford-designed motor in all Mach-E models, so it changed raw performance potential.

 

[Mach1E]

I can speak about the 2023 GTPE, not sure about older models. The GT front motor was the same as the non-GT, but had a more powerful rear motor. The GTPE puts the same motor in both front and back (more powerful rear motor). This is where the difference in the raw (or sticker) performance comes from. The larger 20" tires also help . The matching motor is one of the reasons I went PE in the first pace. Starting in 2024, they used a new Ford-designed motor in all Mach-E models, so it changed raw performance potential.

Tires are the same size for the GT and GTPE.

 

[HuntingPudel]

I can speak about the 2023 GTPE, not sure about older models. The GT front motor was the same as the non-GT, but had a more powerful rear motor. The GTPE puts the same motor in both front and back (more powerful rear motor). This is where the difference in the raw (or sticker) performance comes from. The larger 20" tires also help . The matching motor is one of the reasons I went PE in the first pace. Starting in 2024, they used a new Ford-designed motor in all Mach-E models, so it changed raw performance potential.

The 2021-2023 GT and GT-PE both had the same motor front and rear. The GT and GT-PE made the same 480 HP figure. The GT-PE had more low end torque through throttle mapping. The AWD non-GT models use a different front motor than the GTs, which partially accounts for the performance difference between an AWD/Extended Battery and a GT (power handling hardware and software made up the rest of the difference). In 2024, Ford put a new rear motor into the MME across the board which is a little more efficient and also capable of producing more torque.

The GT came with the same size tires as the GT-PE (as @Mach1E said). The major differences there were that the GT-PE came with Summer Ultra High Performance tires (which became an option on the 2024+ GT) and the GT came with all-season tires (which later became an option on the GT-PE). The other major difference was that the GT came with cast "Flower Petal" wheels where the GT-PE came with cast basket-weave wheels (both in 20x8).

 

[CARSMASH]

Yes exactly, the GTPE 2023 integrated dedicated hardware while the GTPU 2025 is mainly based on software. The real difference is mainly the available torque, the rest is quite similar.

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[HuntingPudel]

Yes exactly, the GTPE 2023 integrated dedicated hardware while the GTPU 2025 is mainly based on software. The real difference is mainly the available torque, the rest is quite similar.

I think that it is more accurate to say that the 2024 GT is the 2021-2023 GT-PE without the extra torque. It has the bigger front brakes, the Magneride, and the Ford Performance seats. The PU adds the extra torque (and more since the 2024+ rear motor is different).

 

[Mach1E]

I think that it is more accurate to say that the 2024 GT is the 2021-2023 GT-PE without the extra torque. It has the bigger front brakes, the Magneride, and the Ford Performance seats. The PU adds the extra torque (and more since the 2024+ rear motor is different).

Pretty close. Except the 2024+ GT seems to have “less of a power restriction” than the 2021-2023 GTPE based on the higher trap speed:

https://www.macheforum.com/site/thr...erformance-upgrade-shows-less-limiting.41110/

107 mph is faster than any 2021-2023. But still way slower than the 114 mph you get with the PU.

I wish we could get dyno tests of the 2021-2023 and a 2024+ with and without the PU.

I’m betting there is zero chance all three vehicles make the same peak 480 hp.

You can’t gain 12 mph in the 1/4 mile just increasing torque below 40 mph.

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