Announcing: Tesla Superchargers + Connected Navigation

[music_cities]

Yeah, that’s how I understand it to work. I’m in a 2021. But neither of the superchargers in the pictures are magic dock station. The one I navigated to is the one on Riverport Dr. in St. Louis and the one showing the info is in Galesburg, IL. I’ve used both of those stations and neither are Magic Dock. You can even see the Galesburg one says “Connectors: no compatible connectors.” All I did was search for “Tesla” at some of the locations I’ve been to and know aren’t Magic Dock.

Cool! Do you have a toggle to indicate you have a NACS adapter ?

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[matwlev]

Cool! Do you have a toggle to indicate you have a NACS adapter ?

No. It’s been pointed out by others that a software update would be required for that. I haven’t gotten any software updates for a while. To be clear, I had to search for “Tesla” in the nav. The station wasn’t added automatically. Also, if I add a supercharger as a waypoint on a route, it won’t treat it as a charging stop. It does show the little charger icon in front display, which I’ve always understood to mean it will treat it as a charging stop and precondition if needed, but I may be wrong.

 

[dan_meh]

No. It’s been pointed out by others that a software update would be required for that. I haven’t gotten any software updates for a while. To be clear, I had to search for “Tesla” in the nav. The station wasn’t added automatically. Also, if I add a supercharger as a waypoint on a route, it won’t treat it as a charging stop. It does show the little charger icon in front display, which I’ve always understood to mean it will treat it as a charging stop and precondition if needed, but I may be wrong.

Did you just find a cheat code that’s been in front of us the whole time? Like, you could travel putting in each “next” supercharger?

If so, bravo, sir!

 

[matwlev]

Did you just find a cheat code that’s been in front of us the whole time? Like, you could travel putting in each “next” supercharger?

If so, bravo, sir!

Hopefully. Maybe somebody with an OBD Bluetooth thingy could see if we get preconditioning? If I remember correctly, Tesla was always in the public charging app and tapping on one of them would route you to the supercharger. It makes sense that that would still be in the nav.

 

[Billyk24]

Had to charge last week at 0F - saw at most 34 kW from a 100kW dispenser. Would preconditioning have helped? I'm sure it would have. Might have been faster to figure out a way to rub my woolly mittens together and discharge the static electricity into the battery...

It was slow because the battery temperature was "low". Preconditioning enroute to the DCFC at those temperatures might increase the battery pack a few degrees. I run the car scanner pro app and can see real time data which is brutal in that temperature. Remember, cold winter air rushes over the top, bottom and sides of the battery pack as you drive. As stated in other threads, a winter insulated battery cap/cover would help. It also helps to add pipe insulation on the rubber hoses behind the frunk.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

Someone should point out to Ford that the current year is 2026.

Stating this feature WILL be available from the factory on 2025 model year....

It either WAS available (nope), or it WILL be available on 2026 from the factory, or it WILL be available OTA for 2025 (soon tm).

Hilarious to get the key point of the first sentence wrong.

I expect Ford to be incomplete about how to get tesla network information. You can use ABRB, you can use Google maps even on carplay.

This is a year old thread. The original post was in January 2025.

 

[music_cities]

Hopefully. Maybe somebody with an OBD Bluetooth thingy could see if we get preconditioning? If I remember correctly, Tesla was always in the public charging app and tapping on one of them would route you to the supercharger. It makes sense that that would still be in the nav.

I searched for the Tesla charger and it showed up as you described, and when I started navigating to it the navigation item on the IPD showed the charging icon. I’ll be driving past it tonight, so can check if the battery heats up. What variable do I monitor in carscanner?

It’s been unseasonably warm, I expect it to be 8°C ambient air temperature as I drive by — not really the temperature where preconditioning is a big time saver.

 

[Sikkun]

Did you just find a cheat code that’s been in front of us the whole time? Like, you could travel putting in each “next” supercharger?

If so, bravo, sir!

It would be at least somewhat new. When they still had the public charging app like a year ago you could easily route to Teslas via that but I couldn’t find them in search and when you navigated to them you didn’t get the charging icon.

 

[Billyk24]

I searched for the Tesla charger and it showed up as you described, and when I started navigating to it the navigation item on the IPD showed the charging icon. I’ll be driving past it tonight, so can check if the battery heats up. What variable do I monitor in carscanner?

It’s been unseasonably warm, I expect it to be 8°C ambient air temperature as I drive by — not really the temperature where preconditioning is a big time saver.

If the battery temperature is 59f (15C), no preconditioning while driving towards the designated DCFC. If the battery temperature is less than 59f and you are running the cabin heat with the 5kW heater (as in the older vehicles), little or no battery temperature rise will occur. The vehicle may warm the battery a little then stop and produce some lukewarm cabin heat and then repeat the process or stop altogether.

 

[dan_meh]

Hopefully. Maybe somebody with an OBD Bluetooth thingy could see if we get preconditioning? If I remember correctly, Tesla was always in the public charging app and tapping on one of them would route you to the supercharger. It makes sense that that would still be in the nav.

I can test this on a short road trip this weekend. What should I expect to see in the OBD app to tell if it is preconditioning?

 

[music_cities]

I searched for the Tesla charger and it showed up as you described, and when I started navigating to it the navigation item on the IPD showed the charging icon. I’ll be driving past it tonight, so can check if the battery heats up. What variable do I monitor in carscanner?

It’s been unseasonably warm, I expect it to be 8°C ambient air temperature as I drive by — not really the temperature where preconditioning is a big time saver.

It worked! On my way from Calgary to my home in Canmore I put the Kananaskis Tesla Charger in as a destination. This charger doesn't have a Magic Dock. Nonetheless, Connected Navigation recognized it as a charger, and put the little charging station icon next to the remaining distance in the IPD, in my 2022 GT. I believe that there's no way to get Connected Navigation to use this station in the Trip Planner, since there's no toggle switch to indicate that I have a NACS Adapter, but nonetheless it's clear from the IPD that Connected Navigation knows it's a charger.

The first image is 30 km before passing the Tesla charger. Suddenly the HVB Coolant Inlet temperature rose to 21C. Second image is immediately after passing the Tesla charger, immediately after changing the destination in the navigation to be my actual destination. You can see the battery was warmed up to 11C (battery max temp 14C) and the coolant inlet temperature started declining. Third chart is the whole trip, you can see the inlet temperature spiking up what seemed to be every 5 km (30km at 21:18 this evening, 40min and 30s into the trip, and again at 25km, 20km, 15km 10km 5 km and perhaps 1 or 0.5km) but I suppose it might have been on a ~2min time schedule not a 5km distance schedule. You can see that the HvbMaxT ("Battery Max Temperature") rises dramatically(to 15C), while the HvbT ("Battery Temperature") rises to 11C.

I expected the battery temperature and the battery inlet temperature to fall more dramatically after passing the Tesla charger and changing my destination, but maybe once everything is warmed up it stays warm.

The ambient temperature on this trip was mostly 8C. I don't know why the battery started out so much colder, at 4C, perhaps it was still cold from the night before. I also don't know why carscanner didn't record the ambient temperature! Anyway, it seems like the car was putting virtually no energy into heating the battery until 21:18. It looks like it might have even decided reduce the HVB coolant Inlet at 21:16 in anticipation of spiking it starting at 21:21.

This is pretty solid evidence that if you put a Tesla charger without a Magic Dock in as a destination in the Connected Navigation, and the IPD shows the little charging-station icon next to the remaining distance, the car will precondition for that charger, even though it can't use that charger in trip planning. Hopefully others can repeat the experiment.

Thanks to @matwlev for pointing this out here https://www.macheforum.com/site/thr...rgers-connected-navigation.42532/post-1067622

 

[matwlev]

It worked! On my way from Calgary to my home in Canmore I put the Kananaskis Tesla Charger in as a destination. This charger doesn't have a Magic Dock. Nonetheless, Connected Navigation recognized it as a charger, and put the little charging station icon next to the remaining distance in the IPD, in my 2022 GT. I believe that there's no way to get Connected Navigation to use this station in the Trip Planner, since there's no toggle switch to indicate that I have a NACS Adapter, but nonetheless it's clear from the IPD that Connected Navigation knows it's a charger.

The first image is 30 km before passing the Tesla charger. Suddenly the HVB Coolant Inlet temperature rose to 21C. Second image is immediately after passing the Tesla charger, immediately after changing the destination in the navigation to be my actual destination. You can see the battery was warmed up to 11C (battery max temp 14C) and the coolant inlet temperature started declining. Third chart is the whole trip, you can see the inlet temperature spiking up what seemed to be every 5 km (30km at 21:18 this evening, 40min and 30s into the trip, and again at 25km, 20km, 15km 10km 5 km and perhaps 1 or 0.5km) but I suppose it might have been on a ~2min time schedule not a 5km distance schedule. You can see that the HvbMaxT ("Battery Max Temperature") rises dramatically(to 15C), while the HvbT ("Battery Temperature") rises to 11C.

I expected the battery temperature and the battery inlet temperature to fall more dramatically after passing the Tesla charger and changing my destination, but maybe once everything is warmed up it stays warm.

The ambient temperature on this trip was mostly 8C. I don't know why the battery started out so much colder, at 4C, perhaps it was still cold from the night before. I also don't know why carscanner didn't record the ambient temperature! Anyway, it seems like the car was putting virtually no energy into heating the battery until 21:18. It looks like it might have even decided reduce the HVB coolant Inlet at 21:16 in anticipation of spiking it starting at 21:21.

This is pretty solid evidence that if you put a Tesla charger without a Magic Dock in as a destination in the Connected Navigation, and the IPD shows the little charging-station icon next to the remaining distance, the car will precondition for that charger, even though it can't use that charger in trip planning. Hopefully others can repeat the experiment.

Thanks to @matwlev for pointing this out here https://www.macheforum.com/site/thr...rgers-connected-navigation.42532/post-1067622

This is great to hear! Not a perfect solution, but at least it's something! Personally, I've never followed the route given by the built-in nav anyway. I always plan on ABRP or something and plug in the next stop as I go. Don't get me wrong, I would love to rely on the built-in nav, but it's always routing me to chargers at dealership that are way too expensive. Better yet, I would LOVE it if the infrastructure was built out enough to not have to plan out the next stop! Excited to see what happens in the next few years with Ionna, Walmart Energy, and all of the other DCFC companies that seem to be going in the right direction.

I gotta ask, @Ford Motor Company, what's the deal? We've got seven pages of people complaining about no preconditioning to Tesla sites. Is this something new? It may not be exactly what we need, but I would think pointing this out would have satisfied a lot of us.

 

[dan_meh]

Big thanks @matwlev and @music_cities !

 

[FreeJAC]

Thanks for the information in this thread. I'm up the highway in Edmonton and just picked up a 2022 GTPE. I am trying to wrap my head around this preconditioning stuff. It sure is disappointing how the ball has been dropped by Ford around this. We were (or I was anyway) warned from watching out of spec videos but I just love the car, coming from a 2005 ICE Mustang that was stolen and totaled a number of years ago.

 

[music_cities]

Thanks for the information in this thread. I'm up the highway in Edmonton and just picked up a 2022 GTPE. I am trying to wrap my head around this preconditioning stuff. It sure is disappointing how the ball has been dropped by Ford around this. We were (or I was anyway) warned from watching out of spec videos but I just love the car, coming from a 2005 ICE Mustang that was stolen and totaled a number of years ago.

Don't sweat it. Yeah Ford has dropped the ball on such a simple thing, but the car still works great. Preconditioning is useful, but only in winter. If you have Android apparently Google Maps with Android Auto will precondition for you.

If you can find a good restaurant next to your DCFC you wouldn't care anyways. If you're going to Jasper I see there's an Original Joes and a Boston Pizza next to the Edson fast chargers. Let me know if you find good restaurant/charging combos in Red Deer or elsewhere on the Hwy2. Last time I drove Edmonton->Canmore I charged at Wheaton Chevy in Red Deer and ate at Boston Pizza and it worked out perfectly, but that charger is quite expensive now. The other Red Deer chargers aren't near good restaurants. I've been meaning to try the FLO in Carstairs, where there are some well-rated restaurants.

More local advice: For Alberta and BC it's useful to set yourself up with a Flo RFID card. My favourite way to pay for charging is using the Flo RFI card — tap and go and you don't need your phone. For my wife who's less tech savvy I direct her to Flo (RFID card) and Tesla (plug-n-charge) so she doesn't have to mess around with payment systems. Electrify Canada usually has credit card readers, so that's the third choice.

If you're wondering what else has been taken away from this car before you bought it, there is:

1) Activating a Ford Network charger from within the car and pay for it using your Ford Account (You can still do it in the Ford App, but that doesn't have a great Wife Approval Factor).

2) You used to be able to plan trips in the Ford App and save them to the car! This was wonderful. It was called Ford Plan My Trip (TM). The menu items still exist in the car, but they've been removed from the phone app. Now instead of uploading my next days trip from my hotel room to the car I have to go to the hotel parkade at night in my pyjamas to enter in tomorrow's plan! It's so annoying. It was actually a selling feature for me, this Plan My Trip.

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