Autoevolution MachE GT Drag Race - Try not to cry

[BigMach-E]

Yeah but they have done this against other vehicles that came out about the same time and the results are the same. Sure the MME is quicker than some, like the ID4, Prius and Chevy's offerings, but those are family oriented vehicles that aren't marketed as performance vehicles. I think we most of us here agree that the "Mustang GT" label implies performance (heck, it's in the PE name), and yes we've hashed this over 1000000 times, but these publications keep shitting on us and Ford does nothing.

Take a look at this truck, which came out at the same time, kicking the MachE's ass: https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/gtpe-vs-rivian-r1t-drag-race.16075/

Hey Todd, are you in the “it’s the bus bars, and nothing can be done” camp, or the “the 5 second limit is just a tad too conservative, Ford could eek out a few more seconds of full power with a software change and little harm is likely” camp?

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[BigMach-E]

Except all the performance crossover SUVs that beat it so bad came out 3 years after the Mach-E GT. That’s like being embarrassed a 2014 mustang GT (4.8, 13.2) is slower than a 2017 Camaro SS (4.0, 12.3) ??‍

With the exception of Tesla because they generally design for performance targets 5-10 years past competition so they can extend the relevance of their products and they are really good at it!

Not actually accurate, the 21 GTPE only hit the public market at the very end of 21, which is super uncommon, and also gives a sense that Ford was unprepared to even release the thing. The 23 EV6 GT hit the public late 22.

I’ve taken a test drive in the EV6 GT.

It felt cheaper regarding the materials in the car, and the rated range is terrible.

However, if someone was mainly concerned with performance in the EV market today, I can’t see why they would go with the MME GTPE. If they could deal with the driving dynamics and potential build quality issues of a Tesla, for the price/class comparative vehicle, they would buy a MYP. If they could live with the rated range hit, and they didn’t care for Tesla, they would buy an EV6 GT.

 

[DevSecOps]

Hey Todd, are you in the “it’s the bus bars, and nothing can be done” camp, or the “the 5 second limit is just a tad too conservative, Ford could eek out a few more seconds of full power with a software change and little harm is likely” camp?

I'm always tinkering with a lot of high voltage DC. Kinda an expensive hobby that I have. I don't believe the bus bar rationale at all. As for why it's there or the harm of removing it, I just don't know. My guess is that it's poor thermal management design.

 

[Mach1E]

It's not just the 5 secs. The GTPE lost from the start. It never had a chance. Sad indeed. At least it achieved 0-60 in 3.6 seconds.

No, it didn’t.

Those weren’t the actual timed results. They just put up the European quoted times.

It ran in unbridled extend. 0-60 is closer to 4.8 in that mode.

These idiots don’t deserve to make a comparison video. Might as well have thrown an anchor out behind the Mach E as they hit the button that puts it closer to 350 hp rather than 480.

If this were a REAL race, the Mach E would beat the GV60 off the line then trail off above 75 mph.

 

[mlhunt856]

If 1/4 mile times are a top priority then the MME GT should probably not be at the top of your list. The 5 second limit has been well publicized since the car shipped two years ago.. This being the case I don't think this is a controversial statement.

So if you're an MME GT owner for whom this is enough of an issue for you to, say, go on owner boards and start threads to beat this dead horse, you're either guilty of not doing your homework, or you're just someone who gets some sort of masochistic pleasure from fixating on something you can't do anything about.

Either way it's kinda sad.

 

[Mach1E]

What I find interesting about the article is how they claim that the five second limit is actually a "boost mode". I'm wondering if this is how Ford plans on spinning this into a benefit rather than a limit.

It basically is a boost mode, same as most other manufacturers offer, but no button pressing is necessary.

That said, they will NOT pitch it as one because then they would have to admit the actual horsepower when the mode isn’t active. And that’s a huge drop off (like 150 hp or more).

Plus, it’s not a fixed number, the hp off boost mode can be limited even more for many reasons (as shown by the number of gray bars) so it’s not so simple.

Fords version of a boost mode is a blessing (no buttons or setup necessary) but also a curse (a much more severe drop in power).

I’m still waiting for some in depth GT Dyno work. Would love to see the following-

Full power, full charge when warm.
Same but after 5 seconds
Unbridled extend dyno
Lower charge dyno
Cold dyno
Back to back runs until you see the minimum horsepower with maximum grey bars.

 

[DevSecOps]

If 1/4 mile times are a top priority then the MME GT should probably not be at the top of your list. The 5 second limit has been well publicized since the car shipped two years ago.. This being the case I don't think this is a controversial statement.

So if you're an MME GT owner for whom this is enough of an issue for you to, say, go on owner boards and start threads to beat this dead horse, you're either guilty of not doing your homework, or you're just someone who gets some sort of masochistic pleasure from fixating on something you can't do anything about.

Either way it's kinda sad.

My GTPE was produced the first week of production. I'm one of the people who originally discovered the 5 second limit before it was ever public.

When Ford markets a vehicle as a performance vehicle and falls way short of that in every aspect I think it's sad to defend them (relative to other EV performance vehicles). They should do better and many people, including myself, think that they can do better. A closed mouth doesn't get fed.

If you don't like performance vehicles there's an owners forum for Prius waiting for your arrival. There's also an ignore button, feel free to use it.

 

[Pushrods&Capacitors]

Like the Kia EV6 GT or not, it runs 3.2 to 60 mph and an 11.4@121 1/4 mile. That’s a big league trap speed. I’d take 220 miles of range all day for that top end shove. Those are BMW i4 M50 numbers for $65K.

https://www.motortrend.com/features/kia-ev6-gt-0-60-mph-1-4-mile-tested/

 

[Mach Al]

They also didn't take into consideration the state of charge. If you want the most speed out of an electric car, you need to charge to 100%. Each vehicle was at a different state of charge based on the remaining milage claims.

 

[BigMach-E]

It’s not really beating a dead horse, it’s that it’s still a problem, and this is really the one of the only ways to vent about it.

I agree that running the car in unbridled extend for quarter miles is disingenuous, as I have experienced Unbridled extend. Even in the streets, it definitively neuters the car even more than smacking up against the 5 second limit.

I honestly think that Ford had one incident, with very high ambient temps, where they were pushing a pre production model GTPE with basically a 10-12 second limit, had one thermal incident , got real spooked, didn’t have any sort of thermal sensors in the pack, didn’t have the time to perform redesign, and just closed down to a semi-arbitrary 5 second limit.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

No, it didn’t.

Those weren’t the actual timed results. They just put up the European quoted times.

It ran in unbridled extend. 0-60 is closer to 4.8 in that mode.

These idiots don’t deserve to make a comparison video. Might as well have thrown an anchor out behind the Mach E as they hit the button that puts it closer to 350 hp rather than 480.

If this were a REAL race, the Mach E would beat the GV60 off the line then trail off above 75 mph.

I didn't realize that they didn't put up their OWN 0-60 and quarter mile times. What's the point of putting up someone else's time.

 

[mlhunt856]

My GTPE was produced the first week of production. I'm one of the people who originally discovered the 5 second limit before it was ever public.

When Ford markets a vehicle as a performance vehicle and falls way short of that in every aspect I think it's sad to defend them. They should do better.

If you don't like performance vehicles there's an owners forum for Prius waiting for your arrival. There's also an ignore button, feel free to use it.

My apologies to you as, being an early buyer, you're probably one of the few people I've come across too have a legitimate (in my opinion) reason to kvetch.

That said, I'm not defending Ford. Their marketing of the vehicle was clearly misleading at best, and they deserve to be called out about it. But really, practically, how much does this power limit impact your ability to enjoy the car? Did you buy it with the intention of tracking it on weekends? If so then you deserve sympathy. But short of that I don't see the point of repeatedly bringing it up as an issue at this point. We all know about it, it is what it is.

If you truly feel you were mislead by Ford, maybe you should talk to a lawyer about filing a false advertising claim with the FTC or even exploring a suit. But I don't see the point of repeatedly belaboring an issue we're all aware of by now.

 

[mlhunt856]

I honestly think that Ford had one incident, with very high ambient temps, where they were pushing a pre production model GTPE with basically a 10-12 second limit, had one thermal incident , got real spooked, didn’t have any sort of thermal sensors in the pack, didn’t have the time to perform redesign, and just closed down to a semi-arbitrary 5 second limit.

Certainly a plausible scenario. But even if true what's the end game here? Do you think that keeping attention on the issue will make Ford take steps to redress it by say shipping a firmware fix? Given the HVBJB issue I find this extremely unlikely.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

Like the Kia EV6 GT or not, it runs 3.2 to 60 mph and an 11.4@121 1/4 mile. That’s a big league trap speed. I’d take 220 miles of range all day for that top end shove. Those are BMW i4 M50 numbers for $65K.

https://www.motortrend.com/features/kia-ev6-gt-0-60-mph-1-4-mile-tested/

Crazy how fast cars have gotten. Not too long ago, Vin Diesel was bragging about his 10 sec car.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

Certainly a plausible scenario. But even if true what's the end game here? Do you think that keeping attention on the issue will make Ford take steps to redress it by say shipping a firmware fix? Given the HVBJB issue I find this extremely unlikely.

Perhaps it keeps the heat on Ford, so that they think twice before doing the same with the next gen MME.

Wishful thinking....

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