Battery charging and distance

[vscottjensen]

Hi. Mine is a 2023 premium, and it has the $7000 option for the better battery. So when I'm fully charged at 100%, I get about 280 miles is this normal?
and the second item is charging at different places, it seems like I can charge at some Tesla supercharger but not all and I've also learned that charging at Ev go takes forever. Your thoughts on best practices regarding charging. Thank you.

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[RickMachE]

There are literally dozens of threads on these topics, range comes up daily.

1) It's not better, it's bigger.
2) Range is dependent on your driving history, temps, etc. 280 is pretty much the warm range, in winter that will drop to the low 200s.
3) Use your Ford app, or the Tesla app with vehicle and adapter entered, to find compatible Tesla Superchargers, as it is NOT all of them by any means.
4) No, EVgo "takes forever" is not a thing. You either had a bad charger, or charged to 100%...

Best practices?

Charge to 90% at home.
For a trip, charge to 100% before leaving.
At a fast charger, charge to 80%, or less, unless you cannot make the next charger. Use apps like A Better Route Planner to plan your trip.

 

[RWG]

I had 2021 and now have a 2025 on lease, identical specs.. I concur with all comments and recommendations from RickMache. However the 2025 does not get as good of Range as the 2021 did. I think it is because Ford changed battery technology.

 

[vscottjensen]

Thank you all. Very helpful.

 

[devmach-e]

I had 2021 and now have a 2025 on lease, identical specs.. I concur with all comments and recommendations from RickMache. However the 2025 does not get as good of Range as the 2021 did. I think it is because Ford changed battery technology.

The 2025 has better range overall across all the trims. If you have an extended range battery, you have the same battery technology as the 2021s: NCM. Standard range batteries using LFP were introduced for Job 2 2023 models (aka 2023.5 model year). In fact, the 2023 NCM standard range Mach-E was rated at 247, and the 2023 LFP standard range Mach-E was rated at 250.

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=46517&id=46985

 

[‘05Train]

I have a 2025. Now mind you, it's winter. The max range I've seen is 280 miles from the Guess-O-Meter. Now that said, I usually beat the range estimate when I travel, which is a lot. It's a regular car, so I use the HVAC like I would have for the last 40 years.

Use the Ford app to get to chargers. That'll precondition the thing and get her nice and ready for the charge.

 

[RWG]

I read the response that suggests the Mach E battery technology from 2021 to 2025 is the same. So I did an internet search with the question "is battery tech 2021 vs 2025 the same" and got the answer below which suggests it is different and I recall the salesman who did the deal when we leased the 2025 said the range is a little bit less than the 2021. In our opinion the range is slightly less but it is not a major issue. However in this internet search return it does state the vehicle has better range in cold climates because the vehicle has a heat pump. We live in Minnesota and experience several sub zero days and based on my experience as a, now retired, HVAC technician heat pumps traditionally are not very efficient in sub zero weather. I do know the winter ambient temps in California or Virginia are nowhere near as cold as Minnesota in January, I have lived in both states, through the winter. By default of design an thermal dynamics/physics a heat pump has a point of diminishing returns or ambient floor temp where it is more efficient to run electric resistance heaters than it is to run the heat pump and collect/transfer heat from outside ambient temp air. Heat pumps work great in moderate ambient winter temps but do not work well in sub zero ambient temps that reality and the changes in battery configuration, charging technology , battery chemistry seem to result in slight range reduction for us, or at lest that is what our eyes and experience supports. We still like the vehicle but we have adjusted our range expectations somewhat.

However: I do not necessarily trust AI search engines but I trust my own eyes and experience. Also, isn't it interesting that ford does not publish the heating capacity of their heat pump at sub zero ambient temps?

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AI Overview


No, the battery technology in the Ford Mustang Mach-E is
not the same in 2025 as it was in the 2021 model year. While the core "extended range" (ER) battery chemistry (NCM) remains similar, significant changes have been made to battery capacity, cell structure, and, most importantly, charging and thermal management, according to 2025 model updates.
Here is a breakdown of the differences:

• 2021 Battery Technology: Used a 98.8 kWh gross / 88 kWh usable extended-range NCM pack (later updated to 91 kWh usable via software).
• 2025 Battery Technology:
  • New Pack Size: The 2025 Premium and Select models use a new 88-kWh usable Extended Range battery pack, which is physically smaller with fewer cells.
  • Heat Pump: A major improvement in the 2025 model is the addition of a heat pump, which greatly improves cold-weather range and efficiency compared to the 2021-2023 resistive heating systems.
  • Standard Range (LFP): Since mid-2023, standard-range models have shifted to Lithium Iron Phosphate (LFP) batteries, which are different from the 2021 NCM cells.
  • Charging Performance: While the maximum charge rate is still capped around 150kW, the 2025 model has a slightly faster, more efficient charging curve, particularly in cold conditions.
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Summary of Key Changes (2021 vs 2025):

• 2025 = Lighter, smaller 88kWh pack (for Premium/Select), added heat pump, more efficient motor.
• 2021 = Larger 91kWh (usable) pack, no heat pump.
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While the 2025 model has a slightly smaller battery pack on paper in some models, its efficiency, thermal management, and overall performance have been upgraded.

 

[Billyk24]

I read the response that suggests the Mach E battery technology from 2021 to 2025 is the same. So I did an internet search with the question "is battery tech 2021 vs 2025 the same" and got the answer below which suggests it is different and I recall the salesman who did the deal when we leased the 2025 said the range is a little bit less than the 2021. In our opinion the range is slightly less but it is not a major issue. However in this internet search return it does state the vehicle has better range in cold climates because the vehicle has a heat pump. We live in Minnesota and experience several sub zero days and based on my experience as a, now retired, HVAC technician heat pumps traditionally are not very efficient in sub zero weather. I do know the winter ambient temps in California or Virginia are nowhere near as cold as Minnesota in January, I have lived in both states, through the winter. By default of design an thermal dynamics/physics a heat pump has a point of diminishing returns or ambient floor temp where it is more efficient to run electric resistance heaters than it is to run the heat pump and collect/transfer heat from outside ambient temp air. Heat pumps work great in moderate ambient winter temps but do not work well in sub zero ambient temps that reality and the changes in battery configuration, charging technology , battery chemistry seem to result in slight range reduction for us, or at lest that is what our eyes and experience supports. We still like the vehicle but we have adjusted our range expectations somewhat.

However: I do not necessarily trust AI search engines but I trust my own eyes and experience. Also, isn't it interesting that ford does not publish the heating capacity of their heat pump at sub zero ambient temps?

These are results for is mache battery technology the same 2021 vs 2025?
Search instead for is mache attery technology the same 2021 vs 2025?

AI Overview


No, the battery technology in the Ford Mustang Mach-E is
not the same in 2025 as it was in the 2021 model year. While the core "extended range" (ER) battery chemistry (NCM) remains similar, significant changes have been made to battery capacity, cell structure, and, most importantly, charging and thermal management, according to 2025 model updates.
Here is a breakdown of the differences:

• 2021 Battery Technology: Used a 98.8 kWh gross / 88 kWh usable extended-range NCM pack (later updated to 91 kWh usable via software).
• 2025 Battery Technology:
  • New Pack Size: The 2025 Premium and Select models use a new 88-kWh usable Extended Range battery pack, which is physically smaller with fewer cells.
  • Heat Pump: A major improvement in the 2025 model is the addition of a heat pump, which greatly improves cold-weather range and efficiency compared to the 2021-2023 resistive heating systems.
  • Standard Range (LFP): Since mid-2023, standard-range models have shifted to Lithium Iron Phosphate (LFP) batteries, which are different from the 2021 NCM cells.
  • Charging Performance: While the maximum charge rate is still capped around 150kW, the 2025 model has a slightly faster, more efficient charging curve, particularly in cold conditions.
    YouTube +6

Summary of Key Changes (2021 vs 2025):

• 2025 = Lighter, smaller 88kWh pack (for Premium/Select), added heat pump, more efficient motor.
• 2021 = Larger 91kWh (usable) pack, no heat pump.
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While the 2025 model has a slightly smaller battery pack on paper in some models, its efficiency, thermal management, and overall performance have been upgraded.

Ford has not published results comparing the heat pump models Verde the non heat pump Mach E. If there was a significant difference Ford would document such. Furthermore, the heat pump now steals a good portion of the frunk.

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