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[MacherAWD]

Hey Rick, didn't know that forums were a place for people for people to be rude. My salesperson told me that I was to going to get 397km of range .. my cottage is 244 km from home and that gave me the buffer that I needed considering all the factors that I was aware of (temperature, driving behaviour etc. I also modeled driving behaviour and saw that the GOM doesn't really do a good job of estimating range anyways. Knowing what I know now, and having my local dealership ask me to pay 10,000 over MSRP for a FORD F-150 Lighting, I purchased a Rivian R1/T with the Max Battery Pack. Sorry FORD .. and Rick, I guess you are one of those people that the internet has given a voice that needs to be tamed.

This is my 3rd EV so I feel I know them extremely well, but I was actually in the market for Bronco before buying my Mach-E, I was gonna wait a year to then do my EV research and pick one, figuring why deal with supply chains. But I called a dealer about a Bronco, then they mentioned the Mach-E, I did 90min of total research and consideration before buying (at MSRP), great move, then I was pleasantly surprised the car had AWD, and BlueCruise for that price! So count me in both camps, very knowledgeable about EVs, range, winter, but utterly clueless about the Mach-E when I brought it home!

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[Awmustang]

Hey Rick, didn't know that forums were a place for people for people to be rude. My salesperson told me that I was to going to get 397km of range .. my cottage is 244 km from home and that gave me the buffer that I needed considering all the factors that I was aware of (temperature, driving behaviour etc. I also modeled driving behaviour and saw that the GOM doesn't really do a good job of estimating range anyways. Knowing what I know now, and having my local dealership ask me to pay 10,000 over MSRP for a FORD F-150 Lighting, I purchased a Rivian R1/T with the Max Battery Pack. Sorry FORD .. and Rick, I guess you are one of those people that the internet has given a voice that needs to be tamed.

I'm just curious, did your previous gas powered vehicles get the MPG or L/100km that was posted on the window sticker?

 

[ZuleMME]

I'm honestly amazed the EPA hasn't implemented "Winter Economy" numbers on the window sticker for EV's yet. Sooo many posts like this. Your car is working as designed, your sales person said what he needed to to close the sale. But a range loss of 40% is going to happen from warm temps to low temps and depending how low that could even go further down... Until we have solid state EV batteries that's the way it is. And even then the loss due to heating will remain.

 

[MacherAWD]

I'm honestly amazed the EPA hasn't implemented "Winter Economy" numbers on the window sticker for EV's yet. Sooo many posts like this. Your car is working as designed, your sales person said what he needed to to close the sale. But a range loss of 40% is going to happen from warm temps to low temps and depending how low that could even go further down... Until we have solid state EV batteries that's the way it is. And even then the loss due to heating will remain.

My co-worker just bought one, I told her that yes its listed at 227mi, but should assume 160 in winter, I try to be clear and honest with everyone on EV winter range

 

[Awmustang]

I'm honestly amazed the EPA hasn't implemented "Winter Economy" numbers on the window sticker for EV's yet. Sooo many posts like this. Your car is working as designed, your sales person said what he needed to to close the sale. But a range loss of 40% is going to happen from warm temps to low temps and depending how low that could even go further down... Until we have solid state EV batteries that's the way it is. And even then the loss due to heating will remain.

I think they should do separate city and highway ranges too. Because that EPA range is an average of some city and some highway. If OP wants to reach a cabin a couple hundred KMs away, likely 90% or more of the driving will be on the highway so even with driving exactly as the EPA does, in exactly the same conditions, that range still isn't possible on a road trip. I mean honestly, who cares what the range is in the city. Driving city streets would likely take too long to exhaust the range in a single day anyway. Road trips are the only time when range really matters, so just give us the Highway range and forget about the city range entirely.

 

[RobbertPatrison]

I'm honestly amazed the EPA hasn't implemented "Winter Economy" numbers on the window sticker for EV's yet. Sooo many posts like this. [...]

Not mentioning the winter range drop is a mildly deceptive trick used by EV advocates as well. For instance, the concerned scientist shows in which states EV have less emission:

https://blog.ucsusa.org/dave-reichm...iving-on-electricity-is-better-than-gasoline/

Since they take the EPA values for EVs, the cold midwest states have up to 40% worse MPG Equivalent in winter. So during the cold months, the CO2 emissions of an MME in the midwest states are the same as a 36 MPG ICE car. Not bad, but not as good as suggested.

 

[RickMachE]

Not mentioning the winter range drop is a mildly deceptive trick used by EV advocates as well. For instance, the concerned scientist shows in which states EV have less emission:

https://blog.ucsusa.org/dave-reichm...iving-on-electricity-is-better-than-gasoline/

Since they take the EPA values for EVs, the cold midwest states have up to 40% worse MPG Equivalent in winter. So during the cold months, the CO2 emissions of an MME in the midwest states are the same as a 36 MPG ICE car. Not bad, but not as good as suggested.

You're comparing with ICE in winter, right? Lower mpg due to winter gas, which is higher emissions, and lower mpg due to cold temps and warmups.

 

[ARK]

When I took delivery of the vehicle, full charge range was displayed at 298km. Ford website states 397km on my model on a RWD model. Been talking to FORD Canada and they say that driving habits etc affect the range blah blah. Need to wait for 800km of driving for the computer to figure things out blah blah. Taking it to the dealership to have it diagnosed but what I think is that the website has it wrong .. OR .. which is a big OR .. is that the AWD model truly has only a range of 298km .. which I would have never purchased .. and who would purchase a crossover SUV with rear wheel drive in Canada with our snowy winters. I get 5-10% range decrease for driving behaviour . .but not a 25% .. think of a pie graph .. 25% is 1/4 of that pie gone. Anyone else having this issue.?

The computer has been designed to be super pessimistic, it’s a deliberate choice by Ford so that people don’t think they have a certain amount of range only to get freaked out as they see it drop quicker then they are covering distance.

It’s like the airport telling you to show up two hours early when you will almost certainly be fine one hour beforehand, but it’s dicier, so they tell you come two hours before.

You gotta do your own math to get a true figure to see how far you can go on a charge based on the miles per kWh or kilometers per kWh you are getting.

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