Electrify America kWh Pricing Announced

[dbsb3233]

Wanting chargers off the various interstates is fine and dandy. But it's not a mutually exclusive choice. Not only do we want both, we need to have both or BEV's will remain a niche product and the MMS will be little more than a compliance car.

And that pretty well sums up my point. BEV drivers want DCFC chargers everywhere to handle all their potential uses, of course, but I don't think that's likely to happen (for a long time, anyway) because money is limited and revenue to support themselves is likely weak. Which means prioritization is important.

That doesn't mean it wouldn't ALSO be useful to locate them around cities at our favorite restaurants or amusement parks or whatever, but with limited resources it means NOT going in somewhere else. My point (and I think Jeff's too) is simply that we think being able to get BETWEEN cities is more important than flooding the city itself with DCFCs just a few miles apart.

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[ChasingCoral]

And that pretty well sums up my point. BEV drivers want DCFC chargers everywhere to handle all their potential uses, of course, but I don't think that's likely to happen (for a long time, anyway) because money is limited and revenue to support themselves is likely weak. Which means prioritization is important.

That doesn't mean it wouldn't ALSO be useful to locate them around cities at our favorite restaurants or amusement parks or whatever, but with limited resources it means NOT going in somewhere else. My point (and I think Jeff's too) is simply that we think being able to get BETWEEN cities is more important than flooding the city itself with DCFCs just a few miles apart.

No, as @Kamuelaflyer said, it is not a mutually exclusive choice. EA is not the only player in this game. We already have charging multiple companies taking multiple approaches. You can add to that companies who have identified it in their own best interest to invest in charging infrastructure to attract customers:
https://content.sierraclub.org/evgu...installing-electric-vehicle-charging-stations
and cities and towns who are doing the same:
https://www.governing.com/next/California-Cities-Install-EV-Chargers-as-Symbol-of-Future.html
https://denvermetrocleancities.org/wp-content/uploads/Charge-Ahead-Colorado-Best-Practices.pdf
https://crea.coop/2019/06/01/electric-fuel-for-the-road/

Thankfully for us, it's not all about EA.

 

[dbsb3233]

Even 4-6 charger installations used for service plazas, service stations, and other places looking to serve multiple drivers simultaneously average $350,000 (https://insideevs.com/news/444567/electrify-america-new-lower-rates/). I'm really curious where you got your $0.5M cost for single chargers you cited above @JayTee.

Might have been a rought estimate of total costs over some time rather than just the install. There was another recent article that estimated EA's typical 4-6 charger station installation cost at $250,000, excluding the ongoing costs of real estate/rent (if any), insurance, maintenance, and most of all - electricity. It cited power company demand charges as sometimes running into the 10's of thousands.

Anyway, I think that's emblematic of how this thread got a little heated the last few days -- because we're each talking about a little different thing from each other, and using different assumptions. Like a major EA charging station vs a single 25 or 50 kW charger. Still both a lot more expensive than L2 chargers, of course, but a big difference nonetheless.

 

[ChasingCoral]

That's what idle fees are for.

 

[ChasingCoral]

Rather than being angry (although that seems to be your standard mode right now), why don't you read up on why city governments are paying to do exactly that, even in your own state:

https://www.governing.com/next/California-Cities-Install-EV-Chargers-as-Symbol-of-Future.html
https://denvermetrocleancities.org/wp-content/uploads/Charge-Ahead-Colorado-Best-Practices.pdf
https://crea.coop/2019/06/01/electric-fuel-for-the-road/

 

[ChasingCoral]

Isn't that sort of the point of slow chargers? They charge your car slowly.

Revised: I see your point. He was talking about slowing down chargers. To my knowledge that's only possible if the car won't take the full rate.

 

[ChasingCoral]

Well, you're reacting so fast you can't even post right. You're clearly not reading carefully as the two of the three articles are about Colorado, where I think you live.

Besides, you said:

 

[ChasingCoral]

Right. So if chargers aren't oversubscribed what's the problem?

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