EV property tax

[Deleted member 20140]

I just received property tax bills for my two cars. Both of them are nearly equal in value but only one of them is a Ford MME. That one carries an additional “electric vehicle tax” of $214.86 I’ve read that this compensates the State for lost gasoline taxes. But in effect it is an attempt by the State of North Carolina to punish anyone trying to lower environmental pollution, by buying an EV. Shouldn’t we be incentivizing voluntary attempts by private citizens to curtail atmospheric poisoning. What’s next? Pay people who pollute and punish those who try to better the AQI? Maybe their slogan will be “give a hoot! Pollute” or perhaps, ”Want clean air? Move to Mars!”

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[Kamuelaflyer]

The extra EV fees compensate the state for lost gas tax which is what pays for road repairs and the like. You still use the roads.

 

[ack154]

More recent discussion here: https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/pa-to-stary-an-annual-“road-user-fee”-to-ev-owners.37687/

That seems like an odd way to charge that fee (vs something at registration renewal maybe). But no one is being "punished" for buying an EV and that's a ridiculous way to interpret that, IMO. You use the roads but are no longer paying for maintenance of them through the gas tax. This is now a way to compensate for that. Now there can be all sorts of discussions on how much is fair and how to charge it and whatever, but it is in no way punishment.

There are other incentives available from the government or potentially your state (even your utility company in some cases).

 

[dbsb3233]

EVs already get huge tax breaks as it is. Up to $7500 federal, and many states add more. There's also 30% tax credit for many charger installs, and subsidy$ for many public charging stations. Government incentives galore.

They also pay no federal gas tax counterpart. Which is another big break.

The state EV registration fees are usually calculated to mimic average state gas tax, which usually pays for roads. EVs use roads just as much as ICE (arguably it's harder usage since EVs are usually heavier).

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

That seems like an odd way to charge that fee (vs something at registration renewal maybe).

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Hawaii tacks on an extra $50 per year in registration fees. It’s not nearly enough or the equivalent of what the average ice vehicle pays. On the bright side, that extra $50 is required to go into the road funds. No detouring it into the Hawaii Convention & Visitors Bureau fundings.

 

[Deleted member 19354]

The extra EV fees compensate the state for lost gas tax which is what pays for road repairs and the like. You still use the roads.

What’s how I understand it as well in Washington State

 

[zvez]

I just received property tax bills for my two cars. Both of them are nearly equal in value but only one of them is a Ford MME. That one carries an additional “electric vehicle tax” of $214.86 I’ve read that this compensates the State for lost gasoline taxes. But in effect it is an attempt by the State of North Carolina to punish anyone trying to lower environmental pollution, by buying an EV. Shouldn’t we be incentivizing voluntary attempts by private citizens to curtail atmospheric poisoning. What’s next? Pay people who pollute and punish those who try to better the AQI? Maybe their slogan will be “give a hoot! Pollute” or perhaps, ”Want clean air? Move to Mars!”

as others have pointed out, EVs don't buy gas so they don't pay any gas tax, but they use the roads, and arguably heavy than a lot of cars on the road. I think most states use the gas tax for highway road maintenance. In ga it's state mandated it be used for roads.

So everyone goes to EV, no more people paying gas tax, how do the roads get maintained.

 

[BMT1071]

as others have pointed out, EVs don't buy gas so they don't pay any gas tax, but they use the roads, and arguably heavy than a lot of cars on the road. I think most states use the gas tax for highway road maintenance. In ga it's state mandated it be used for roads.

So everyone goes to EV, no more people paying gas tax, how do the roads get maintained.

Maybe use the billions in subsidies that currently go to the oil and gas industry?? Just a thought. ?‍ ?‍

 

[TRP]

Tennessee adds it onto your yearly License plate registration. Unfortunately it is higher than one would spend in gas tax for the average driver.

$100 for Hybrid
$200 for BEV

Plus the regular plate fee

It's also scheduled to increase in a couple of years to $274 for BEV

 

[jgcom]

Louisiana charges $110/year for EVs and $60/year for hybrids as a "road usage fee." Oddly, it is collected by the department of revenue rather than the office of motor vehicles, even though it is not an income tax. I certainly prefer this over some ham-handed attempt to tax EV charging.

On the plus side, the inspection sticker (a.k.a. brake tag) is just $20 for two years on EVs, as no emission test is carried out.

 

[johnnycombo]

I just received property tax bills for my two cars. Both of them are nearly equal in value but only one of them is a Ford MME. That one carries an additional “electric vehicle tax” of $214.86 I’ve read that this compensates the State for lost gasoline taxes. But in effect it is an attempt by the State of North Carolina to punish anyone trying to lower environmental pollution, by buying an EV. Shouldn’t we be incentivizing voluntary attempts by private citizens to curtail atmospheric poisoning. What’s next? Pay people who pollute and punish those who try to better the AQI? Maybe their slogan will be “give a hoot! Pollute” or perhaps, ”Want clean air? Move to Mars!”

Don't forget the Mach-E is so heavy and destroys every road it touches, I checked and it's ~600lbs heavier than a regular Mustang. That basically the BS my PA state senator gave me "EVs are so much heavier" he must think it's like 2 tons heavier. I hate talking to politicians!

 

[SonicBlue]

What is it about some EV owners that think they should be exempt from funding the roads they drive? I guess it’s that cloak of moral virtue. They think they’re “saving the environment.”

We’re not. And we need to fund maintenance of the roads we drive, the same as everyone else.

 

[Rt1AWD]

I just received property tax bills for my two cars. Both of them are nearly equal in value but only one of them is a Ford MME. That one carries an additional “electric vehicle tax” of $214.86 I’ve read that this compensates the State for lost gasoline taxes. But in effect it is an attempt by the State of North Carolina to punish anyone trying to lower environmental pollution, by buying an EV. Shouldn’t we be incentivizing voluntary attempts by private citizens to curtail atmospheric poisoning. What’s next? Pay people who pollute and punish those who try to better the AQI? Maybe their slogan will be “give a hoot! Pollute” or perhaps, ”Want clean air? Move to Mars!”

I feel your frustration, but somebody needs to pay for the roads.

 

[ChuckA]

Don't forget the Mach-E is so heavy and destroys every road it touches, I checked and it's ~600lbs heavier than a regular Mustang. That basically the BS my PA state senator gave me "EVs are so much heavier" he must think it's like 2 tons heavier. I hate talking to politicians!

A regular Mustang weighs 3700 lbs and my Premium AWD ER weighs 4800 lbs., 30% heavier.

Your PA state senator happens to be correct. It’s much heavier.

 

[Deleted member 20140]

Bullfeathers! It’s just a political accounting gimmick to say that “road use taxes” pay for roads. It is a proper function of government to build and maintain roads. Where the dollars come from is irrelevant. If “road use “ taxes are down in a given year does that mean bridges are not to be maintained? Why does only money specifically earmarked for roads be the only source for funding? Dollars out of my pocket for taxes cost just the same to me whether I pay it out in gasoline taxes or sales tax on diamond studded steering wheels.

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