EV Tires Causing Increased Pollution

[1969Mach1Mike]

In that same timeframe, an ICE SUV with 25 mpg will have used 4,000 gallons of gasoline. A gallon of gas burned releases about 8.8 kg of pollution. Those 4,000 gallons of gasoline burned emit about 35,000 kg of pollution. This is rounded down--I'm trying to give the ICE the benefit of the doubt.





Don't forget that only about 1.3% of ICE sold get over 24mpg. Its a bit over 11% if you include PHEV. You are being incredibly kind in your assessment of ICE.

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[Spacey]

It's funny you would write that when in fact the "Earth's temperature hasn't risen for the last 15 years"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...r-fact-Earths-temperature-risen-15-years.html

Hmm. Governments interfering in the results of a "leaked" report where the full findings have not yet been published. Would be interesting to know who leaked the report and what financial and personal gain they would get out of it and which organisation is sponsoring them. Let me guess, Shell, BP, ExxonMobil etc.

 

[Guss-E 2021]

Apparently the misinformation on this topic is getting out of hand. Some brilliant science-E stuff to set the record straight. Fully Charged doesn't disappoint.

 

[Spacey]

Apparently the misinformation on this topic is getting out of hand. Some brilliant science-E stuff to set the record straight. Fully Charged doesn't disappoint.

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[Guss-E 2021]

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@Spacey I just became a Patreon supporter of Stop Burning Stuff the other day .

 

[DR.J56]

What about the F250 4 door full size bed that weighs more than the MME? Do they pollute? True they don't have the torque.

My F350 is better on tires than my MME. I know it’s hard to believe but I can get 50K miles from a set of tires and thats pulling a 17k RV across the country for most of those miles. Also it is not true the 250 has less torque. Depending on engine selection, the 6.7 diesel which is what I have, has well over 1000 lbs of torque. But this is comparing birds to butterflies in the end.

EDIT: This is fact derived from my own personal experience. I’ve had a Super Duty of some kind pretty much my entire driving life. This has been the case with all. My new tires on my MME (currently 44K) are wearing just as fast as the originals. New ones are Continentals.

 

[Mach1E]

In that same timeframe, an ICE SUV with 25 mpg will have used 4,000 gallons of gasoline. A gallon of gas burned releases about 8.8 kg of pollution. Those 4,000 gallons of gasoline burned emit about 35,000 kg of pollution. This is rounded down--I'm trying to give the ICE the benefit of the doubt.





Don't forget that only about 1.3% of ICE sold get over 24mpg. Its a bit over 11% if you include PHEV. You are being incredibly kind in your assessment of ICE.

This is where some of the debate comes in.

While CO2 is considered a greenhouse gas, is it the same as other “pollutants?” Not so much.

I wouldn’t label you a “polluter” just because you breathe out.

 

[mkhuffman]

This is where some of the debate comes in.

While CO2 is considered a greenhouse gas, is it the same as other “pollutants?” Not so much.

I wouldn’t label you a “polluter” just because you breathe out.

And CO2 is air fertizer for plants. They pump it into greenhouses to get plants to grow bigger and stronger.

It provides a ton of benefits for the environment. And if it is causing warming, isn't that better than cooling? Nothing grows on a glacier.

 

[Jack Hodges]

We should have just gone straight to flying cars and skipped electric vehicles all together. Although, it would take another 40-50 years.

 

[Pushrods&Capacitors]

My take: EVs will wear tires out faster than an equivalent-sized, yet lighter SUV/sedan. So yeah. However, they Do Not wear out tires faster than an equivalent Weight vehicle unless there is something intrinsically different in the suspension/alignment that predisposes it to do so.

And, I’m not going to get into the literally millions of hi-po summer tires on ICE vehicles of all shapes and sizes where owners are lucky to get 10-20K miles out of a set of 4 before replacement is required. I get about 25K out of my summers on the SS Sedan and I run a square set up and rotate every 6K. Most EVs are running all-season touring or performance tires with less grip and less rolling resistance for EPA range purposes.

 

[Mach1E]

My take: EVs will wear tires out faster than an equivalent-sized, yet lighter SUV/sedan. So yeah. However, they Do Not wear out tires faster than an equivalent Weight vehicle unless there is something intrinsically different in the suspension/alignment that predisposes it to do so.

And, I’m not going to get into the literally millions of hi-po summer tires on ICE vehicles of all shapes and sizes where owners are lucky to get 10-20K miles out of a set of 4 before replacement is required. I get about 25K out of my summers on the SS Sedan and I run a square set up and rotate every 6K. Most EVs are running all-season touring or performance tires with less grip and less rolling resistance for EPA range purposes.

To be fair, one of the reasons you get less mileage out of summer tires is less tread depth.

Either way it’s just 1 more bullet point on a long list of “how our cars pollute.”

I think it’s a fair point for the article to point out.

Thoughts like this are why we started reducing the use of plastic straws.

 

[Spacey]

And CO2 is air fertizer for plants. They pump it into greenhouses to get plants to grow bigger and stronger.

It provides a ton of benefits for the environment. And if it is causing warming, isn't that better than cooling? Nothing grows on a glacier.

Not a lot grows in a desert.

 

[mkhuffman]

Not a lot grows in a desert.

It will if you add water. But if you add water to a glacier, it will freeze.

 

[RedStallion]

Hmm. Governments interfering in the results of a "leaked" report where the full findings have not yet been published. Would be interesting to know who leaked the report and what financial and personal gain they would get out of it and which organisation is sponsoring them. Let me guess, Shell, BP, ExxonMobil etc.

It's funny that you don't care about the report, instead you are trying to discredit it by speculating about who leaked it. That says it all.

 

[ChasingCoral]

Earth.com posted an article that EV's tires are 20% more polluting. This is partially due to the weight and torque that release microplastics.
Hidden costs: Electric vehicle tires emit 20% more pollution • Earth.com

Are EV tires made of different compounds than tires for ICE vehicles? What about the F250 4 door full size bed that weighs more than the MME? Do they pollute? True they don't have the torque.

I wonder what the tire manufacturers would say.

Maybe it's just another article to show if you think your car is helping the environment and reducing global warming, you are very wrong.

You might try reading a more comprehensive version of that article:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/clim...ire-brake-tailpipes-emissions-pollution-cars/

Better yet, read some of the studies it comes from:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37088393/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37088393/

While tire pollution may increase in EVs due to weight, brake dust pollution is dropped due to regenerative braking. The articles omit this part.

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