Ford, BMW, Honda to Create ChargeScape, a Company Focused On Optimizing Electric Vehicle Grid Services

[Ghost Ryder]

Unless I’m missing something, and I quite possibly am, it says ”Participating EV customers…” no? Just trying to figure out why a lot of us are freaking out if you have to opt in!

Because that’s how it starts. First you volun-teer. Then you’re Volun-told. Then they finally drop the charade and just mandate it.

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[corradoborg]

Because that’s how it starts. First you volun-teer. Then you’re Volun-told. Then they finally drop the charade and just mandate it.

The hand-wringing in this thread about a nongovernmental, opt-in program that may never even come to fruition is palpable. If you guys put as much energy into the grid as you put into worrying there would be no need to get it from your cars.

 

[Blue highway]

Unless I’m missing something, and I quite possibly am, it says ”Participating EV customers…” no? Just trying to figure out why a lot of us are freaking out if you have to opt in!

The same way we "participate" in utility junk fees?

 

[jpiazza67]

The government wants to know WHEN and WHERE you charge to track you and control when you charge ie. you can charge only when there is more renewable energy on the grid (daytime.)

Big brother! Siri and Alexa are already spying on us

 

[jeffdawgfan]

So...we charge our cars at non-peak times for x cents a kwh. Then the utility can suck it back out at peak hours and only pay us wholesale price for the power they take just like solar cells. This is just the greedy getting greedier. The consumer gets the shaft again.

 

[Fixbear]

really? Many people I know on APS that got ‘free’ Nest thermostats were
Loving the fact their houses were set to 85 when we had the month of 110+ every day. I’ll check on how many calls it took for them to over rode that free connected thermostat they opted into.
And that’s with us never hitting a brownout or the likes. That stupid ‘free smart thermostat’ was the discount they got to live uncomfortably through July.

So that's why National Grid is offering them at twenty some dollars?

 

[azerik]

These thermostats, and many EVSE's talk to the demand load system (I'm sure I messed the actual name up) so they can see and adjust the grid based on every metric of your usage and the combined. But they can also control your house for you. Typically an opt-in. Some times a forced Opt-in due to the fact you got the equipment.
If it's free, you're the product.
SRP gave me $250 back for my EVSE purchase, they've got to get something worth far more than $250 for that. I can't get the SRP rebate on the Emporia EVSE because it doesn't talk to SRP's demand system. I got the Tesla EVSE on that rebate, but they can't control it, yet. (Most anything 'smart' is only an API away from becoming controllable.)

 

[Fixbear]

Big brother! Siri and Alexa are already spying on us

So are all the connected cars. It started with GM's On-Star safety system. They make a lot of money selling the data.

 

[Mirak]

"Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible."
- Frank Zappa

However vast the darkness, we must supply our own light.
- Stanley Kubrick

“Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should.”

Ian Malcolm, Chaotician

 

[dj_stang]

Unless I’m missing something, and I quite possibly am, it says ”Participating EV customers…” no? Just trying to figure out why a lot of us are freaking out if you have to opt in!

Hilarious you think this will be opt-in. It’ll be opt in as much as TOU plans are. Caveat is in some places like upstate New York and Canada, TOU plans ACTUALLY are cheaper as was intended, but good luck in California.

 

[RickMachE]

Mach-E Forum Member (the cat). And the guy too.

 

[corradoborg]

Hilarious you think this will be opt-in. It’ll be opt in as much as TOU plans are. Caveat is in some places like upstate New York and Canada, TOU plans ACTUALLY are cheaper as was intended, but good luck in California.

Californian here. TOU plans have always been optional. It was never even suggested to me that I change to TOU, let alone pressured or forced. I did elect on my own to go to TOU shortly after I got the Mach-E, and it is indeed cheaper than my previous tiered rate.

 

[mkhuffman]

Okay, cool. I'm all about choice. But while we're on the subject of addressing the grid, Infrastructure, and the overall need to make EV ownership a better and more viable option for those who choose this particular method of transportation, what is a proposal that addresses these needs that is kosher in the minds of those who oppose pretty much everything that's been suggested to date?

Is there a plan at all? I'm incredibly frustrated at the basic inclination to just fight everything and have no other alternative. Doing nothing isn't an option.

Ah, the solution is so easy, but you will hate it.

Eliminate the regulations that keep power companies from investing in infrastructure. Eliminate regulations that are shutting down coal plants and other petrol run power plants. Open up vast amounts of federal land for fossil fuel exploration and extraction, so we can get more oil and more natural gas. Make energy so freaking cheap, it costs just pennies to drive our awesome electric cars. Release the free market to innovate by getting government out of the way.

How is that?

 

[MarkP213]

Hilarious you think this will be opt-in. It’ll be opt in as much as TOU plans are. Caveat is in some places like upstate New York and Canada, TOU plans ACTUALLY are cheaper as was intended, but good luck in California.

Specifically states: “Participating EV customers…” To me, that’s opt in. And yes, we have choices here in California as to what if any TOU works for us (at least in my area). Plus I’m on Solar and battery storage, so I can keep all my power for myself if I choose.

 

[MarkP213]

The same way we "participate" in utility junk fees?

I don’t believe there’s a choice there. If there was, I’d choose not to participate!

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