Ford Charger for Mach-E

[timbop]

1. The extent of Ford's leverage with EA policy is exactly zero. Ford needs EA far more than EA needs Ford. Mach E owners would still charge at EA stations without any agreement between Ford and EA.
2. The exact same situation applies to the Ipace, etron, xc40, and any other non-tesla car capable of drawing >125 kw
3. As far as I understand it, the rate is determined by the car's initial draw - if that is between 75 and 125 kw then you pay the middle tier price. Charging when it is in the middle of SOC should get you under the 125kw draw. Contact the company you should really be mad at (EA) to find out if that assumption is true
4. You keep saying you are paying a 350kw rate, but you are paying the over 125 kw rate - it's semantics.
5. You can go to an EVgo or chargepoint station with 50kw chargers, but evgo charges $.31 per minute for a third of the charging rate - so you will pay even more than EA and wait longer to get your battery to 80%
6. Many states apparently explicitly prohibit charging for electricity by the kwhr unless a company is classified as a utility. That classification includes a huge list of restrictions, regulations, and even rate approvals. That's why EVgo, blink, etc all charge by time - because they are charging for a service instead of electricity
7. The REAL solution to your problem is to have a level 2 charger which will give you by far the best rates. The apparent only alternative is to keep driving a tesla or get a chevy bolt.
8. clearly your mind is made up on who's to blame for your situation, so nothing I've written will change anything and we are mutually wasting each other's time

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[dbsb3233]

The other way to look at that is if a Mach-e is a bad fit for your situation (i.e. needing to rely on slow and expensive public charging for most of your charging), then they're more than happy to sell you one of the dozens of other vehicles they make that aren't BEVs.

BEVs aren't a good fit for everyone. Just like trucks aren't, and vans aren't, and sports cars aren't. It's why Ford will continue to offer ICE and PHEV vehicles in addition to BEVs. So people can choose what's best for their situation.

 

[ChasingCoral]

That's my understanding. I've seen pictures with the J1772 too..

Between reading the AMA with the MME engineer and seeing images of a few other MME prototypes, it's clear the prototype I saw at the Washington Auto Show was being tested for the Euro market, thus the Euro plug. Since Ford has thrown their hat in with the Electrify America system for chargers and EA uses J1772 and CCS Combo Type 1 like the rest of the US systems, the Washington Auto Show prototype was clearly a fluke.

 

[Florida7382]

Between reading the AMA with the MME engineer and seeing images of a few other MME prototypes, it's clear the prototype I saw at the Washington Auto Show was being tested for the Euro market, thus the Euro plug. Since Ford has thrown their hat in with the Electrify America system for chargers and EA uses J1772 and CCS Combo Type 1 like the rest of the US systems, the Washington Auto Show prototype was clearly a fluke.

For those who know better. Will the Type 1 imported car work in Europe if they’re using Type 2 there? Obviously adapters would be required.

 

[Florida7382]

I think I just answered my own question about three phase charging earlier in this thread. From Wallbox.com

• Type 1 is a single-phase plug and is standard for EVs from America and Asia. It allows you to charge your car at a speed of up to 7.4 kW, depending on the charging power of your car and grid capability.
• Type 2 plugs are triple-phase plugs because they have three additional wires to let current run through. So naturally, they can charge your car faster. At home, the highest charging power rate is 22 kW, while public charging stations can have a charging power up to 43 kW, again depending on the charging power of your car and grid capability.

 

[dbsb3233]

Tesla had to throw a ton of money into a charging network because they were blazing the trail and that was their only product. They really had no choice. They HAD to sell BEVs.

Ford doesn't. The Mach-e will only be a tiny slice of their revenue stream. They still wanna see it succeed, of course, but not to the detriment of the other 98% of their profit centers. It's not worth it to them to heavily subsidize a charging network like Tesla did.

And the Mach-e can be plenty successful for them with mostly home charging. They sell plenty of other vehicles that work for road trips. But they are willing to provide a service that makes the payment process more seemless.

 

[Billyk24]

Ford is mandating Charging stations at each and every Ford dealership that will sell BEV including the upcoming cash-cow F-150. All Lincoln dealerships will have charging stations. We don't know if Ford's 500 million dollar investment in Rivian also includes charging stations at various recreational locations as both Ford and Rivian have stated will occur in the future.

 

[dbsb3233]

Ford is mandating Charging stations at each and every Ford dealership that will sell BEV including the upcoming cash-cow F-150. All Lincoln dealerships will have charging stations. We don't know if Ford's 500 million dollar investment in Rivian also includes charging stations at various recreational locations as both Ford and Rivian have stated will occur in the future.

Has it been announced that they'll actually offer PUBLIC charging stations, or simply that they they're putting in the ability for all EV certified dealers to charge EVs?

I interpreted the "dealer investment" announcement as the latter, but I could have missed further clarification that they would actually be open to the public.

 

[dbsb3233]

You're looking at it from an EV advocate standpoint. I'm talking about from Ford's standpoint, i.e. what's best for Ford, not what's best for the promotion of EVs in general.

Ford sees that BEVs are about to become a significant slice of the vehicle market this decade. And they want a piece of that pie. But they also recognize that it's only a slice, and that ICE vehicles aren't going away. And in fact are likely to be their primary money-maker for many years.

So for them (and most legacy automakers), it's a matter of balance. Ford is mostly an ICE vehicle maker. Tesla is a pure BEV maker. They're gonna have greatly different motivations for whether to throw a ton of money into charging networks.

Personally, I think Ford is right to not get directly into the charging station business. Other automakers are starting to produce BEVs too. Manufacturers each building their own charging networks (like Tesla did as the first) makes little sense now. Just like gas stations, it makes more sense for charging station networks to be independent businesses competing against each other. In the long run that's better for customers too. It'll just likely to take a little longer that way than Tesla's approach.

 

[Billyk24]

My dealer stated one for the service area and one on the street.

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