GT vs GTPE decision

[Womps]

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[Teleks]

Interesting, lots of good points to consider! Thanks for all the helpful replies.

-Tax credit is a good point. $7500 is a lot of money. However, you also get $2500 on a used car, so it's only a $5000 difference. The dealers I talked to always mention that it's pretty tricky to actually get that money. Anyone here who had problems getting that tax refund? I should be fine income-wise.
-Summer tires on the GTPE is also a good point. E.g. right now we're getting plenty of snow here. So with the GTPE I'll definitely have to switch tires seasonally while the GT has all season tires?

I think it's about 50:50 people here suggesting the GTPE is clearly worth it vs not haha. I do however agree that it's probably not worth $18k.

However! I just found a GTPE at a dealer that slipped under my radar so far. $59k, 10k miles, star white. Still not my favor color, but basically almost the same price and miles as the (non-PE) GTs. Maybe the only catch: it's a 2021 model. Is that something that plays a role in the price - something that needs to be considered? Are there any differences between a 2021 and a 2023 model?

 

[HuntingPudel]

The reasons I got the GT-PE over the GT were (in order) bigger brakes, Magneride, and forged wheels (which we now know are not forged, but Ford’s marketing junk claimed they were forged). I wanted a GT because I could have gotten the 360 cameras without the glass roof. Bigger brakes and Magneride won over the cameras. ?‍?

Color is important only if you can’t stand the color of the car. I can’t tell you the black PE is better or worse than the orange or blue GT. Totally personal preference. ??

I do have to comment that I love the seats in my GT-PE. I haven’t spent enough time in a GT to form an opinion on its seats. This again is a matter of personal preference. my canine body is probably different from your homo sapiens body. ??

 

[JohnFoxeSheets]

Interesting, lots of good points to consider! Thanks for all the helpful replies.

-Tax credit is a good point. $7500 is a lot of money. However, you also get $2500 on a used car, so it's only a $5000 difference. The dealers I talked to always mention that it's pretty tricky to actually get that money. Anyone here who had problems getting that tax refund? I should be fine income-wise.
-Summer tires on the GTPE is also a good point. E.g. right now we're getting plenty of snow here. So with the GTPE I'll definitely have to switch tires seasonally while the GT has all season tires?

I think it's about 50:50 people here suggesting the GTPE is clearly worth it vs not haha. I do however agree that it's probably not worth $18k.

However! I just found a GTPE at a dealer that slipped under my radar so far. $59k, 10k miles, star white. Still not my favor color, but basically almost the same price and miles as the (non-PE) GTs. Maybe the only catch: it's a 2021 model. Is that something that plays a role in the price - something that needs to be considered? Are there any differences between a 2021 and a 2023 model?

The $2500 used EV tax credit is brand new and getting it is not certain. E.g. I’m pretty sure there are both vehicles age and max price requirements to qualify. Be due to check the IRS site before buying.
In contrast the new car credit has historically been more straightforward. That said, the 2022 Inflation Reduction Act is still largely untested in real world tax returns, so….??‍

 

[BigMach-E]

I don’t think I’ve been in a GT non PE. The seats in the PE are amazing. It is a little faster, I hear, and the wheels are much better looking to me. Don’t buy a color other than the color you want. Make sure that you are buying something that is built 7/22 on. Avoid the old HVJB.

 

[Teleks]

I wanted a GT because I could have gotten the 360 cameras without the glass roof. Bigger brakes and Magneride won over the cameras. ?‍?

I'm kind of confused about this comment! There is a difference regrading cameras and the glass roof between GT and GTPE? Never heard about that! Now that you say that, I have actually seen GTs (non-PE) online without a glass roof before, but all the ones I've test driven had glass roofs. Did they change that over the years?
Even more confused about the cameras. You sound like the PE doesn't have cameras? I have a hard time believing that!

Make sure that you are buying something that is built 7/22 on. Avoid the old HVJB.

Ok, that's the kind of stuff I'm interested right now when buying a used car. You're saying I should look into cars built after July 2022, correct?

Are there any more differences between the different models over the years? Can I find a break down over what changed over the model history? It would be great to know how a 2021 model is different from a 2022 model etc.

 

[BigMach-E]

I'm kind of confused about this comment! There is a difference regrading cameras and the glass roof between GT and GTPE? Never heard about that! Now that you say that, I have actually seen GTs (non-PE) online without a glass roof before, but all the ones I've test driven had glass roofs. Did they change that over the years?
Even more confused about the cameras. You sound like the PE doesn't have cameras? I have a hard time believing that!


Ok, that's the kind of stuff I'm interested right now when buying a used car. You're saying I should look into cars built after July 2022, correct?

Are there any more differences between the different models over the years? Can I find a break down over what changed over the model history? It would be great to know how a 2021 model is different from a 2022 model etc.

Hmm, can’t link you a buyers guide really. But here is a brief try:

GT/GTPEs in 21 had metal roof as standard I believe. Active park assist was standard. High voltage junction box was with subpar contractors.

22 had glass roof become standard I think. Active Park Assist was deleted. There was some thought that you could add later, I don’t think that has come to fruition. Kick to open lift gate I think was also deleted for some of these cars due to chip shortage.

Mid 22 got HVBJ redesign. This is the most important, as it could fail and strand you.

23 had a ADAS hardware redesign I think.

It’s the amount of cameras external sensors that’s important. I think that changed year to year. When test driving, back it up, make sure you get a top down camera view of the actual car with a black box, and the surrounding area top down. If it looks like a car icon only top down, cameras might be missing. Take it on some highways, see if you can enable blue cruise hands free.

If buying used, also be aware software can and often get OTA stuck due to modules being updated by dealers/enthusiasts partway or the car being powered down for a while, and the car not getting fully updated. If considering used, it’s a good idea to have someone on the forum run the VIN through FDRS if you care about getting further OTA updates.

 

[CurtW]

Sound like the 77k GTPE is about 4k over MSRP. You can find dealers that are not marking up over MSRP, might need to drive a little further. You might even find incentives on financing. Only going gonna get full tax credit on new, and only if you don't make too much, and if you pay at least 7500 in taxes.

I love the GTPE wheels, magnetic ride, upgraded seats, summer tires, and those few extra foot pounds of torque. Not sure if all that package is worth 6k to you, but it is for me.

 

[MightyMike]

I got mine for magneride, and have not regretted it. It makes a big difference traveling on long trips where you might get into rythmic bouncy issues for highways. Not a fan of the summer tires (in updstate newyork), so I had to drop 1k on winter tires within 3 months of getting the car, but when the summer's wear out, I'll get some all-seasons.

 

[HuntingPudel]

I'm kind of confused about this comment! There is a difference regrading cameras and the glass roof between GT and GTPE? Never heard about that! Now that you say that, I have actually seen GTs (non-PE) online without a glass roof before, but all the ones I've test driven had glass roofs. Did they change that over the years?
Even more confused about the cameras. You sound like the PE doesn't have cameras? I have a hard time believing that!
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In 2021, the glass roof was an option on the GT. I wanted less weight up high so I needed the metal roof. One of the big differences between the GT and GT-PE
was the 360 Active 2.0 package (which contain the cameras, eye nanny, etc.) was tied to the glass roof option on the PE, but not on the GT. So, you could order a metal roof GT and get BlueCruise. You could order a glass roof GT and not get the cameras, or order all or none on the GT. On the PE, when you ordered the glass roof the camera option was mandatory. Likewise on the PE, if you ordered the cameras the glass roof option was mandatory. Or you could order a metal roof and not get cameras. I opted for metal roof because it was way more important to me to not have the extra weight up high than the cameras that I would probably use a dozen times over the life of the car. ?‍?

No camera here: ??

 

[BigMach-E]

When I had a Select AWD, the 360 cameras and the glass roof not being there wasn’t a big deal. Now that I have both, I love them!

 

[Teleks]

@BigMach-E Thanks for the rough breakdown of what happened over the years. Very helpful!

And thanks @HuntingPudel for clarifying the situation with glass roof and cameras. It seems that this GTPE I'm looking at has everything. Honestly, I would also prefer not having a glass roof, but I do think the cameras are a good idea. Love your Mach E though, especially the blue roof. It's a pity that with the newer models you can only get that with the select.

One funny thing I just noticed with this 2021 GTPE (which I'm probably going to get!) is: I just noticed the dealer has it online as having 459hp (when a GT/GTPE should have 480hp). Does anyone know what's up with that? I assume that's not true. From what I can tell, that number (459hp) is what had been said the GT/GTPE was going to have initially back in 2020. But it never was actually a thing. Do I get that right?

 

[HuntingPudel]

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One funny thing I just noticed with this 2021 GTPE (which I'm probably going to get!) is: I just noticed the dealer has it online as having 459hp (when a GT/GTPE should have 480hp). Does anyone know what's up with that? I assume that's not true. From what I can tell, that number (459hp) is what had been said the GT/GTPE was going to have initially back in 2020. But it never was actually a thing. Do I get that right?

I don’t even recall a 459 number, unless it’s from before I reserved in 2020. I could be wrong, since I am an old dog. ?‍?

 

[Mach1E]

@BigMach-E Thanks for the rough breakdown of what happened over the years. Very helpful!

And thanks @HuntingPudel for clarifying the situation with glass roof and cameras. It seems that this GTPE I'm looking at has everything. Honestly, I would also prefer not having a glass roof, but I do think the cameras are a good idea. Love your Mach E though, especially the blue roof. It's a pity that with the newer models you can only get that with the select.

One funny thing I just noticed with this 2021 GTPE (which I'm probably going to get!) is: I just noticed the dealer has it online as having 459hp (when a GT/GTPE should have 480hp). Does anyone know what's up with that? I assume that's not true. From what I can tell, that number (459hp) is what had been said the GT/GTPE was going to have initially back in 2020. But it never was actually a thing. Do I get that right?

It’s 480 hp.

459 was from a very early order guide before the car came out. All years are 480 for the GT and GTPE.

I think the $2500 credit for used cars has a $25k or 30k cap. You won’t get it either way.

 

[Teleks]

It’s 480 hp.

459 was from a very early order guide before the car came out. All years are 480 for the GT and GTPE.

I think the $2500 credit for used cars has a $25k or 30k cap. You won’t get it either way.

Thanks for clarifying! So what I suspected. That's a relief - definitely wouldn't be worth getting a PE if it had less power than a newer GT haha.

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