Home backup power (V2H) like F150 Lightning?

[Chudsaviet]

If an assumption that F150 Lightning and Mustang Mach-E are on the same platform is correct, the it should be possible for 80-amp Ford Charge Station Pro to deliver power from Mach-E, right? Technically, any CCS charger connects directly to the battery, so in theory it can pull power from it.
https://thedriven.io/2020/07/21/the-road-to-bidirectional-ccs-electric-car-charging/
Unless Ford blocks this in software.

I just want to spark a discussion on this topic

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[HuntingPudel]

The on-board charger is very different on the F150 Lightning. I do not believe that the on-board charger for the Mach-E has the hardware to support this.

 

[benk016]

I would say it would depend on what all that 80-amp EVSE includes inside it. If the conversion takes places on the truck, and it very well could since it already has the inverter for the outlets, then it definitely won't work.

BUT if the inverter would be in that EVSE, then to me I would think it could be possible, if the EVSE had a CCS plug and could use the DC pins on the connector, it could access the battery directly and provide power back into the house.

But I imagine it would use the onboard inverter since it seems to be around the same power output that its capable of delivering.

 

[SnBGC]

The Lightning distributes energy back to the home via the DC pins. Those pins are a direct connection to the battery once the contactors close.

The Mach-E is the same architecture so it just comes down to software in the vehicle and hardware in the home.

 

[Chudsaviet]

So it basically goes down to whether F150 V2H uses J1772 or CCS connector. I actually don’t see a standard way of doing it through J1772. Probably they implemented a proprietary protocol, but its unlikely.

 

[SnBGC]

So it basically goes down to whether F150 V2H uses J1772 or CCS connector. I actually don’t see a standard way of doing it through J1772. Probably they implemented a proprietary protocol, but its unlikely.

I thought I saw a CCS connector on that 80A EVSE....
Hard to remember though. I see so much stuff from the various manufacturers and most of it is prototypes anyway so by the time these things make it to market then it might change a bit. Pretty sure V2G is going to require the CCS connector. It doesn't make much sense to try and do that with the J1772 because then you have to backfeed that through the on board charge controller.

I fully expect the large battery Lightning trucks to share power. Meaning....you can pull up to one on the side of the road and give it some power from your truck so they can make it to the nearest charge point. I just wonder how Ford will accomplish that. I guess they have two options which is CCS to CCS cable. Another method is to use the 240V output in the bed to power a mobile EVSE through the J1772. That would be safer but take about 6 or 9 times as long to transfer the energy from one truck to the other.

 

[AlpaChino]

I think this will likely be a feature for premium and above trim levels for the Mach-e moving forward in 2022. When I have told others about this feature coming with the F-150 lightning, their eyebrows raise and a light bulb comes on - like they just "get it" in that moment. The value for me, someone who experiences one or two power outages a year, has made me think more about the F-150 then I have in a long time and I know I'm not alone.

 

[jksu]

i'd definitely consider replacing my grizzl-e with a ford fast charger pro 80amp if it gains the V2H functionality.

if not possible, our next EV (be it the 2024 mach-e or something else) we will definitely want V2H -- it's a no brainer to want to be able to use that big battery for other purposes

 

[SnBGC]

i'd definitely consider replacing my grizzl-e with a ford fast charger pro 80amp if it gains the V2H functionality.

if not possible, our next EV (be it the 2024 mach-e or something else) we will definitely want V2H -- it's a no brainer to want to be able to use that big battery for other purposes

I heard some rumors today that utility companies might match the federal incentive for EVS with large batteries that have V2G technology. There is a very real benefit for them to have as many portable energy storage devices as possible.

 

[theo1000]

The V2H protocol is part of the upcoming new CCS standard called CharIn. Ford was one of the founders of the original CCS group back in late 2000's. I suspect they think the full CharIn standard will be released by the time the Lightning comes out and they should be able to adopt it.

 

[ChasingCoral]

The V2H protocol is part of the upcoming new CCS standard called CharIn. Ford was one of the founders of the original CCS group back in late 2000's. I suspect they think the full CharIn standard will be released by the time the Lightning comes out and they should be able to adopt it.

https://www.charin.global

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