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[MacherAWD]

So, the President who has been out of office for 3 years and one week is responsible for the current down-turn in EV sales? Lol.

If EV were to make America great again (i.e. be cheaper and more convenient to own), wouldn't the MAGA Republicans be buying them like hotcakes from the American companies Tesla, Ford, and GM?

There is a tremendous dis-information campaign against EVs. Most people who tell me why they hate them, or dont want them have gotten all their info from Facebook, I ask if they have driven one or talked to real owners but they say that isnt necessary. So yes the Loon has created a culture of brainwashed idiots. And yes, he could flip his script and praise EVs and in no time boost their sales, brainwashed crowd.

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[Ghost Ryder]

The classic GOP which has been gone for the last 10 years. The current MAGA GOP runs on the whims and fancies of a loon.

Yes we all long for the idea of the classic GOP but that is gone.

If we're going to be honest here, the democrats have been taken over by the far left. What was considered moderate democrats just 15 years ago are now viewed as MAGA republicans.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

There is a tremendous dis-information campaign against EVs. Most people who tell me why they hate them, or dont want them have gotten all their info from Facebook, I ask if they have driven one or talked to real owners but they say that isnt necessary. So yes the Loon has created a culture of brainwashed idiots. And yes, he could flip his script and praise EVs and in no time boost their sales, brainwashed crowd.

That's just rhetoric. There's not a great divide in people that buy EV between democrats and republicans. Get out of your echo chamber.

 

[MacherAWD]

If we're going to be honest here, the democrats have been taken over by the far left. What was considered moderate democrats just 15 years ago are now viewed as MAGA republicans.

I would argue democrats are being run by old timers who refuse to get with the times and get out of the way. I wouldnt be surprised if they run Chelsea C as candidate in 2028 and ignore what party members want.

 

[MacherAWD]

That's just rhetoric. There's not a great divide in people that buy EV between democrats and republicans. Get out of your echo chamber.

I am talking about people who talk about them and rail against them. A small percentage of people actually buy EVs, there are reasonable people on both sides.

 

[ChehRob]

I suspect gas producers will face pricing pressure here on out. The current number of EVs worldwide is here and already affecting gasoline prices.

The charging network does need to be a lot better, but that is happening. I suspect in about two years it will reduce from anxiety on long trips to merely being an occasional inconvenience.

Ford really needs to reduce the cost of Blue Cruise by about 25%.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

I would argue democrats are being run by old timers who refuse to get with the times and get out of the way. I wouldnt be surprised if they run Chelsea C as candidate in 2028 and ignore what party members want.

So you agree that the party has moved to the far left except for the "old timers."

 

[Glen Boise]

It would help if there were more cars for the different customer segments. Not everyone wants a CUV or a luxury sedan. We are still in the "second generation" of EVs. There are reliable cars with usable range meeting some people's needs at prices some people can afford with infrastructure that covers much of the need.
Today you can buy an EV off the dealer lot. How many months did you wait for your Mach-E? So things are slowly improving. Have you checked PlugShare with the filter set to "Coming Soon" lately? It used to be empty. Today, it looks like everyone and their brother is announcing DCFC sites. There is a report of a shortage of transformers for DCFC sites. If true, that will delay things.
Unfortunately, the EV segment is experiencing "growing pains" as it tries to compete with the established ICEVs. Still the better energy efficiency of EVs matters and wins in the end. Just do not hold your breath waiting for things to change.
Also, ask anyone, pointing to hydrogen or other alternatives to EVs and gasoline as being better solutions, about their infrastructure needs. EVs have the advantage that we use the existing electrical grid for our power supply. It may need improvements but not as much as the naysayers claim.

 

[AKgrampy]

Since 2013 I have been trying mathematically to find cost parity between EV and ICEV within the same market segment. I just ran the numbers again this morning between a Camry and Model 3. There is still an approximate 70,000-mile breakeven point between the two. Someone earlier mentioned "until parity with ICEV". It's just not close and won't be for over the next decade. Add in the charging inconvenience for off-site (i.e. not at home) refueling and the range issues on a per-fuel-load basis, and most of the market simply sees the inadequacies between EV and ICEV. In general people will pay more for better performance rather than pay more for less performance.

It still has to also matter for a persons specific cost of electricity versus their cost for gas in the area they reside. I could be wrong but I do not believe most people make this deep of a cost comparison in all actuality. .

 

[Mach1E]

There is a tremendous dis-information campaign against EVs. Most people who tell me why they hate them, or dont want them have gotten all their info from Facebook, I ask if they have driven one or talked to real owners but they say that isnt necessary. So yes the Loon has created a culture of brainwashed idiots. And yes, he could flip his script and praise EVs and in no time boost their sales, brainwashed crowd.

This sounds a bit like a conspiracy theory.

“Disinformation campaign” makes it sound like there is some organized group out there spreading lies.

Reality is- the news media likes to point out obvious flaws……..in anything. Whatever it takes to get a view/click.

You call it “disinformation.” But I honestly haven’t seen many examples of that.

Unfortunately it’s normally just articles shining a spotlight whenever an electric car messes up. (Which unfortunately is often). Chargers broken, cars catching fire, buggy software, etc.

It’s all………unfortunately true. Some of it is somewhat rare. But isn’t that what makes something newsworthy?

 

[MacherAWD]

So you agree that the party has moved to the far left except for the "old timers."

No the general population has shifted left, including republicans. Compare people and their belieifs over the last 500 years, and really focus in on the last 50, we are all considered crazy liberals to the older generations.

 

[MacherAWD]

So, there must be a lot of MAGA faux MME owners on this forum disseminating fake news. After the MME I drove on September 1st last year, with caution over adoption, I came here looking to better understand the ownership experience of owning an MME. It's not been a positive experience so far. Outside of the various engineering quality issues, the DCFC charging situation reads as mostly substandard. Numerous members here say not to buy an EV if the owner can't charge at home. Numerous others discuss the poor state of the infrastructure. And as an outsider, needing 4 or 5 apps and switch between Ford's navigation and Google Maps, ABRP, etc. just reads as a complete pain in the ass compared to refueling an ICEV or a Tesla.

So, what dis-information does the 45th President brainwash his followers with that they can't find from reading an EV forum such as this one?

I am very upfront with folks that home charging is almost a necessity, that where you live matters, cold...I will happily speak to all of that, do I think EVs are for everyone right now? Nope, not yet, do I think EVs could probably replace 25%-50% of all cars on the road today, probably? Currently what 5% of cars are EV?

Watch the media, and it has become all or nothing, thats to end the fight before it starts. Look at Toyota? Disinformation to try and stop it before it starts.

 

[MacherAWD]

This sounds a bit like a conspiracy theory.

“Disinformation campaign” makes it sound like there is some organized group out there spreading lies.

Reality is- the news media likes to point out obvious flaws……..in anything. Whatever it takes to get a view/click.

You call it “disinformation.” But I honestly haven’t seen many examples of that.

Unfortunately it’s normally just articles shining a spotlight whenever an electric car messes up. (Which unfortunately is often). Chargers broken, cars catching fire, buggy software, etc.

It’s all………unfortunately true. Some of it is somewhat rare. But isn’t that what makes something newsworthy?

There are organized groups, Toyota, OPEC, MAGA candidates looking to villainize anything in the name of votes. Look at how the UAW is voting Trump....

 

[Mach1E]

There are organized groups, Toyota, OPEC, MAGA candidates looking to villainize anything in the name of votes. Look at how the UAW is voting Trump....

Sure.

But where does the disinformation factor in?

Criticism? Absolutely. But it seems like the things they criticize are real issues, not lies.

I like EVs. Enough to buy one. I tell others about the reasons to as well.

But I also don’t like the cost and speed of DC charging, don’t like to use them for road trips, don’t like the buggy software and don’t like that they catch on fire if they come in contact with salt water (I live on the water). Plus I really don’t think the government should force people to buy them as it’s not a one size fits all.

Criticism, not disinformation.

If anything it’s the EV defenders that spread disinformation- pretending like the above things aren’t true.

Perfect example- the completely made up “study” that had been repeated here multiple times claiming gas cars catch on fire at extremely high rates (completely fabricated).

Story- https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a40163966/cars-catching-fire-new-york-times-real-statistics/

 

[MacherAWD]

Sure.

But where does the disinformation factor in?

Criticism? Absolutely. But it seems like the things they criticize are real issues, not lies.

I like EVs. Enough to buy one. I tell others about the reasons to as well.

But I also don’t like the cost and speed of DC charging, don’t like to use them for road trips, don’t like the buggy software and don’t like that they catch on fire if they come in contact with salt water (I live on the water). Plus I really don’t think the government should force people to buy them as it’s not a one size fits all.

Criticism, not disinformation.

If anything it’s the EV defenders that spread disinformation- pretending like the above things aren’t true.

Perfect example- the completely made up “study” that had been repeated here multiple times claiming gas cars catch on fire at extremely high rates (completely fabricated).

Story- https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a40163966/cars-catching-fire-new-york-times-real-statistics/

Disinformation/terrible journalism/ignorant people. The battle of EV vs ICE, the "Biden is forcing us to buy EVs" it's all FUD. In reality they are a better option for a subset of the population. And yes media is mostly just clickbate now trying to get eyeballs

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