Lane Centering Trickery

[rugedraw]

That just demonstrates there are lots of idiots out there and once a spectacular accident (maybe featuring children with cancer or something) gains notoriety, regulators will address the situation by making such systems illegal (or putting such onerous regulations on them as to make it non-viable for manufacturers to comply).

I've had Bluecruise almost cause an accident several times while using it as it was designed and intended to be used. Truth is, I have never been able to "relax" and let Bluecruise do its thing, which is why I hardly use it. I almost feel like I have to pay more attention to the vehicle and my surroundings than if I was just driving the vehicle myself to make sure ADAS doesn't do something stupid. IMO, using ADAS is more stressful than driving the vehicle yourself.

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[corradoborg]

I've had Bluecruise almost cause an accident several times while using it as it was designed and intended to be used.

That's why it's a "supervised" system. It was never advertised as a completely self-sufficient system. It works exactly as it's supposed to.

Truth is, I have never been able to "relax" and let Bluecruise do its thing, which is why I hardly use it. I almost feel like I have to pay more attention to the vehicle and my surroundings than if I was just driving the vehicle myself to make sure ADAS doesn't do something stupid. IMO, using ADAS is more stressful than driving the vehicle yourself.

That's a perfectly reasonable conclusion to come to. OP's idea of defeating the safety systems by weighting the steering wheel - while not a new idea at all - is NOT a reasonable conclusion.

 

[rugedraw]

That's why it's a "supervised" system. It was never advertised as a completely self-sufficient system. It works exactly as it's supposed to.


That's a perfectly reasonable conclusion to come to. OP's idea of defeating the safety systems by weighting the steering wheel - while not a new idea at all - is NOT a reasonable conclusion.

Weighing the steering wheel does not defeat the system that forces you to keep your eyes on the road. Now, if you want to argue that people doing this on non-BC equipped vehicles pose a threat to other vehicles on the road, it would be difficult for anyone with any kind of common sense to argue that point.

I can respect the opinion of people that feel it's not a good idea even if I am not bothered by it. I can see both points of view on this. Like anything else in the world: There is nothing wrong with having a conversation about it as long as we can stay respectful with each other.

 

[RickMachE]

There are some serious douche bags replying here. Including one supreme douche reporting to the admins.

I appreciate the folks that recognize this is not a new concept nor exceptionally dangerous.

Note: I don’t see this being a surface street value as the need for a 90 degree turn is too common which requires the bottom of the steering wheel to cross the top which would be wonky with anything added to the wheel. I see this being a benefit on an open, sweeping turns only, undivided highway for 10s to 100’s of miles at a time. Absolutely you must still pay solid attention and the eye tracker will make sure of that or it will disable lane centering anyway.

And to the point of the post regarding the successful evasive maneuver…maybe while following someone and relying on adaptive cruise is a time NOT to rely on the weight to your point exactly regarding reaction time.

I’m not convinced this can’t be done within a reasonable and calculated safety margin!

I am convinced there are some real jerks in this forum like any other “social network”. Was hopeful that wasn’t the case! Hence why you should always “Keep your Gratitude higher than your Expectations!”

Well, that membership didn't last long. Bye...

 

[NY_Cade69]

I'm all for sitting in my car and doing nothing, in a Pullman Car, the ultimate FSD. Who knows when BlueCruise will match rail service in 1962, let alone 1918.

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[AZBill]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/tesla-au...illing-76-year-old-woman-inside-officials-say

 

[fkyct]

Nah, don't mess with safety systems. Are people really too lazy to even pay attention to their driving anymore?

Tesla Full Self Driving supervised has me spoiled. I use it 99% of the time on our Model Y and it’s amazing. My Lightning came with 3 yrs of Blue Cruise subscription. I wish Ford would add more roads to their Blue Cruise mapped roads. GM adds new roads all the time. The only roads around here that BC can be used is I-75 which I rarely drive on.

Before subscribing to FSD on the Tesla my Lightning was the vehicle I jumped into 90% of the time. Now with Tesla FSD the Tesla is my primary vehicle.

While saying all that I use Ford Lane centering but don‘t defeat the safety aspects. I just apply a little strewing wheel torque every 10 seconds or so. It still bongs at me when I‘m slow to move the steering wheel. It’s annoying.

 

[NY_Cade69]

this:

 

[rugedraw]

this:

I think we can all agree that THIS is total and complete foolery.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

Right. I’m not condoning or advocating for this. I just like dealing in facts. My investigation into the issue was driven by people baselessly claiming that Hands Free BlueCruise had more accurate Lane Keeping than Hands On BlueCruise due to the supposed “continuous mapping and remapping” of the BlueZones. And that this mapping is one reason for the hefty subscription fee. And that’s all a load of bunk. The LKA is the same, and it is a purely optical system provided by MobileEye.

Now, Ford has made a (in my opinion) reasonable safety determination that drivers should only be using the hands free tech on divided highways, and I support that. But I don’t think that’s a reason to not share basic facts about how the systems work.

Also, the torque sensor is annoyingly over-sensitive. Often nagging when I have a hand on the wheel.

As always, no matter what you do, people need to keep their eyes on the road! That’s the rule no matter how any of Ford’s tech is being utilized. And I think that’s why Ford’s eye sensors remains active no matter what.

Thanks for weighing in. I recall, from earlier posts, that you had looked into aspects of this, but was a bit reluctant to bring it up.

Personally, I think the use of any device to defeat the hands in restrictions is unsafe. I have witnessed too many people around here using Tesla’s FSD to do the driving while they shave, apply makeup, or in one case to brush their teeth. During our morning rush hour (Yes , we gave one). True, some folks will be responsible but too many won’t. It doesn’t take long to cross into oncoming traffic.

 

[ChehRob]

Actually, you can go hands free for a few seconds, pick up something or whatever, but keep your eyes on the road.

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