Looking forward to Tesla Supercharger Adaptor but....

[Yerfdog56]

Someone has been reading the Taycan forums! I remember the post where some Taycan owner was not happy about finding a Bolt at a 350kW charger when a 150kW charger was empty.... If only that Taycan owner had six other friends to block the other 5 chargers so he could get a really fast charge! ???

That Taycan owner was out of line. Every Taycan buyer knows they will be part of the great equalizer where it doesn't matter how much money you spend on your car known as Electrify America. There is no members only club for Taycan owners like there is with Tesla owners and going by the already well known Tesla on Tesla hate by Tesla Karen's when the Superchargers are full, there is zero doubt that there will not be any Tesla Karen's freaking out when they pull up to a bunch of Superchargers filled with everything but Tesla's!

I think you're confusing entitlement with etiquette. True, your Tesla example of annoyed owners having a fit waiting on a Bolt would fall into the entitlement category. But it would do us all a favor if we politely and tactfully pointed out the do's and don'ts when charging. The Taycan owner IMO should attempt to educate the Bolt owner why he should move to the available 100kW plug in lieu of using the only 350kW plug. That's not because he owns a Porsche, it just makes sense.
I've seen Tesla's pull into a V2 next to another Tesla on the same pairing when there were available stalls without a paired car. A polite explanation should ensure that newbie to avoid that faux pas in the future, just as it should educate the Bolt owner to pay more attention to the charging output when choices are available.

Another example that I hear a lot on public chargers is charging to 100% when it's not necessary. This is not isolated to Tesla, in fact I suspect it occurs way more often as a percentage on public sites due to the slower charging as well as free charging offered by VW. Visit the Bolt forum and you'll see it's a real point of contention.

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[Tampamike]

I think you're confusing entitlement with etiquette. True, your Tesla example of annoyed owners having a fit waiting on a Bolt would fall into the entitlement category. But it would do us all a favor if we politely and tactfully pointed out the do's and don'ts when charging. The Taycan owner IMO should attempt to educate the Bolt owner why he should move to the available 100kW plug in lieu of using the only 350kW plug. That's not because he owns a Porsche, it just makes sense.
I've seen Tesla's pull into a V2 next to another Tesla on the same pairing when there were available stalls without a paired car. A polite explanation should ensure that newbie to avoid that faux pas in the future, just as it should educate the Bolt owner to pay more attention to the charging output when choices are available.

Another example that I hear a lot on public chargers is charging to 100% when it's not necessary. This is not isolated to Tesla, in fact I suspect it occurs way more often as a percentage on public sites due to the slower charging as well as free charging offered by VW. Visit the Bolt forum and you'll see it's a real point of contention.

Honest question - Are there Mustang MachE owners posting in the Tesla forums?

 

[timbop]

I think you're confusing entitlement with etiquette. True, your Tesla example of annoyed owners having a fit waiting on a Bolt would fall into the entitlement category. But it would do us all a favor if we politely and tactfully pointed out the do's and don'ts when charging. The Taycan owner IMO should attempt to educate the Bolt owner why he should move to the available 100kW plug in lieu of using the only 350kW plug. That's not because he owns a Porsche, it just makes sense.
I've seen Tesla's pull into a V2 next to another Tesla on the same pairing when there were available stalls without a paired car. A polite explanation should ensure that newbie to avoid that faux pas in the future, just as it should educate the Bolt owner to pay more attention to the charging output when choices are available.

Another example that I hear a lot on public chargers is charging to 100% when it's not necessary. This is not isolated to Tesla, in fact I suspect it occurs way more often as a percentage on public sites due to the slower charging as well as free charging offered by VW. Visit the Bolt forum and you'll see it's a real point of contention.

Excellently stated. It's no different than someone with a cartful of groceries getting in the express lane. Another example would be not to use the sole station with a ChaDeMo connector when other stations are available and working. It costs the bolt owner nothing and makes no difference which station they use, but it can make a difference to others. Courtesy is far from common, unfortunately.

 

[ChasingCoral]

Is that the European adaptor? I don’t recognize it.

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[ChasingCoral]

You still have to turn of the charge to unlock.

When I stated locking/unlocking in my post, I meant unlocking it so the adapter can be removed from the pedestal, not from the car. The lever on the adapter is so that you can remove the NACS from the adapter and put it back in the pedestal, when the charge is finished. With magic docks the adapter belongs to the station, for the adapters we get from Ford, they belong to the car.

I certainly hope the adapters come with way to lock them in place. Otherwise, someone can press the stop button on the Mach e, pull the charging cable, and steal the adapter.

 

[dtbaker61]

I certainly hope the adapters come with way to lock them in place. Otherwise, someone can press the stop button on the Mach e, pull the charging cable, and steal the adapter.

considering that a DCFC charge will only take 15-20 minutes, why would you leave the area if you were concerned that someone waiting for a charger would steal it ? ?

 

[ChasingCoral]

considering that a DCFC charge will only take 15-20 minutes, why would you leave the area if you were concerned that someone waiting for a charger would steal it ? ?

On a long road trip, I frequently start the charger and then head into the nearby establishment (usually a Walmart) to use the restroom and shop. I often need to use the restroom when I arrive to charge. When you gotta go, you gotta go!

My point is if these adapters can't be locked, there is a theft risk.

Besides, my Lightning takes 30-40 minutes to charge on a good stop, longer during those too frequent situations when the charger is de-rated.

 

[ChasingCoral]

As much as you want to paint a picture of Tesla owners feeling inconvenienced and blowing a gasket, I'll put your mind at ease, not bloody likely. Do you realize that for the past year, Chevy Bolts have been using the magic docks with AFAIK, no meltdowns?

So far, I've seen Teslas charge as far away from non-Teslas as possible at Magic Dock locations.

Now just wait until I have an adapter for a trailer trip!

That might piss off a few Tesla drivers!

Of course, the good thing about EA unreliability is that I can make it a point to only block a dead charger. There's usually one present as there was in this photo. SuperChargers are just too damned reliable.

 

[dtbaker61]

On a long road trip, I frequently start the charger and then head into the nearby establishment (usually a Walmart) to use the restroom and shop. I often need to use the restroom when I arrive to charge. When you gotta go, you gotta go!

My point is if these adapters can't be locked, there is a theft risk.

Besides, my Lightning takes 30-40 minutes to charge on a good stop, longer during those too frequent situations when the charger is de-rated.

totally agree that charge sessions are typically combined with potty stops... I guess my point is more wondering who would have any incentive to:
1. stop your charge
2. remove your adaptor
3. leave the scene

I guess maybe other non-tesla, non-ford EVs that are lined up and didn't get a free adaptor ? but, then, they wouldn't take it in the first place if they came to a tesla station to charge if they didn't already have one ?

 

[timbop]

totally agree that charge sessions are typically combined with potty stops... I guess my point is more wondering who would have any incentive to:
1. stop your charge
2. remove your adaptor
3. leave the scene

I guess maybe other non-tesla, non-ford EVs that are lined up and didn't get a free adaptor ? but, then, they wouldn't take it in the first place if they came to a tesla station to charge if they didn't already have one ?

Why would anyone cut copper pipes off of an A/C condenser? The adapters have value, probably on the order of $200 to $300. Many EA stations are at walmarts, some of which are in sketchy areas

 

[ChasingCoral]

I guess maybe other non-tesla, non-ford EVs that are lined up and didn't get a free adaptor ? but, then, they wouldn't take it in the first place if they came to a tesla station to charge if they didn't already have one ?

1. Really obnoxious Stan who wants to prevent non-Teslas from charging at "their" Supercharger?
2. Jealous EV driver who arrived in their Tesla but wants an adapter for their non-Tesla?
3. Crook who sees it as something unusual they can sell?

There are lots of low probability scenarios that, when summed together, make a credible risk.

Of course, these concerns reduce once adapters are more common. However, Fords are supposed to get them first, making them more of a target than the last to the party.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

So far, I've seen Teslas charge as far away from non-Teslas as possible at Magic Dock locations.

Now just wait until I have an adapter for a trailer trip!

That might piss off a few Tesla drivers!

Of course, the good thing about EA unreliability is that I can make it a point to only block a dead charger. There's usually one present as there was in this photo. SuperChargers are just too damned reliable.

That would pissed off any EV owner that is waiting to charge Tesla or not.

 

[dtbaker61]

Why would anyone cut copper pipes off of an A/C condenser? The adapters have value, probably on the order of $200 to $300. Many EA stations are at walmarts, some of which are in sketchy areas

well.... thats true, and scrap yards take stolen copper and catalytic converters.... I guess I would hope that a black market for stolen adaptors would NOT develop if EV owners can get them for free from their dealers.

 

[ChasingCoral]

Why would anyone cut copper pipes off of an A/C condenser? The adapters have value, probably on the order of $200 to $300. Many EA stations are at walmarts, some of which are in sketchy areas

Not to mention all the stolen crap that shows up on eBay.

 

[timbop]

well.... thats true, and scrap yards take stolen copper and catalytic converters.... I guess I would hope that a black market for stolen adaptors would NOT develop if EV owners can get them for free from their dealers.

I haven't seen that GM or anyone else is giving out free adapters, and even if they were the adapters still have value. Or, as Mark said Teslarati could take them just to screw with a CCS owner daring to use a supercharger.

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