Looking forward to Tesla Supercharger Adaptor but....

[Jimrpa]

No, I was joking that the new adapter shown on the Ford website looks exactly like the Tesla units used currently at Magic Dock SuperCharger locations.

Oh! Ok, thanks!

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[Jimrpa]

Those adapters are identical to the magic docks, but the additional lever is for unlocking the NACS connector from the adapter. Interestingly, one other difference is that the magic docks have the AC pins, but these new adapters do not (and for good reason - Safety). I think Tesla is using those pins in the magic dock to do the locking/unlocking from the pedestal.

How will the devices Tesla is making for other manufacturers (such as ford) know when to lock/unlock?

 

[RickMachE]

How will the devices Tesla is making for other manufacturers (such as ford) know when to lock/unlock?

When you DCFC, the unlocking takes place via the port, when the session is ended, either by the charger turning off, or by the customer pushing the center of the charge button by the port, on the charger(may cause an error), in the vehicle, or in an app. The button merely is a physical release. Clearly the circuitry involved ties that button to the system so that if it's pushed prematurely it either doesn't function or it ends the session and then allows disconnecting.

 

[AZBill]

How will the devices Tesla is making for other manufacturers (such as ford) know when to lock/unlock?

You still have to turn of the charge to unlock.

When I stated locking/unlocking in my post, I meant unlocking it so the adapter can be removed from the pedestal, not from the car. The lever on the adapter is so that you can remove the NACS from the adapter and put it back in the pedestal, when the charge is finished. With magic docks the adapter belongs to the station, for the adapters we get from Ford, they belong to the car.

 

[Yerfdog56]

I'm looking forward to acquiring/using the Tesla Supercharger Adaptor but:

1. Why doesn't the apparent Adaptor design have an extension cable included so we won't have to park in an adjacent slot to use the Supercharger. I think we may have a lot of unnecessary verbal conflicts with Tesla drivers in our future when charging due to this issue.

2. Since we will only be able to use Supercharger V3+, will Ford Navigation, ABRP and other apps differentiate versions, so we can plan routes correctly? Right now they don't, that I see.

Understand that we are still in the BEV adoption infancy stage in the U.S. I believe it's still single digits of sales percentage when compared to ICEV's. The point being that:

• in 2 years, almost all BEV's sold in the U.S. will no longer need adapters
• in 2 years, almost all BEV's sold in the U.S. will have their charge ports located conducive to the SpC layouts
• V4's will supposedly have a longer cable
• Over time, existing V3's might be upgraded to V4's

So I wouldn't stress out too much about conflicts, see below.

Which is exactly why I look forward to the perfect Tesla Karen's freaking out over the inferior non-Tesla pleebs at their chargers. Your reply certainly confirms the YouTube videos will be great!

As much as you want to paint a picture of Tesla owners feeling inconvenienced and blowing a gasket, I'll put your mind at ease, not bloody likely. Do you realize that for the past year, Chevy Bolts have been using the magic docks with AFAIK, no meltdowns? And this is on V3's where most non-Tesla's use the adjacent stall thereby blocking a stall. Over time, the slow charging non-Tesla's will fade away as will the stall blocking.
You seem to have an opinion of the typical Tesla owner based on a handful of outlier anomaly's which have nothing to do with the brand of car they drive. My suspicion is that it will be less of an issue than you currently have between a Taycan owner frustrated with a Bolt charging on the single 350kW charger when there's 3 empty 100kW plugs open. SpC's don't mix and match power supply typically.

 

[PA Bob]

To begin this is ABRP (Ver. 4.7.4) on iPhone. I'm not sure about Android.

In the upper left hand corner of the screen, CLICK the 3 horizontal lines. From there, scroll down and CLICK on "Chargers & Networks". Under this menu CLICK on "Type of chargers". For my Mach-E I can choose from CCS, NACS and Level 2.

I hope this helps.

I only have version 4.7.3 - even after updating. No option for NACS yet. Will check later. I have a trip across PennsylTucky soon so I wish I had the update and the adapter. Like Rich said, it will be here this “spring.”

 

[flyingdutchman]

I see NACS. No V3 option.

 

[AllenXS]

I’m so confused ?

Oops, predictive text in the dark. I’ll fix!

 

[Jimrpa]

When you DCFC, the unlocking takes place via the port, when the session is ended, either by the charger turning off, or by the customer pushing the center of the charge button by the port, on the charger(may cause an error), in the vehicle, or in an app. The button merely is a physical release. Clearly the circuitry involved ties that button to the system so that if it's pushed prematurely it either doesn't function or it ends the session and then allows disconnecting.

Ok, I get that. Without the signaling pins, how will the charger tell the port to unlock? Or will we always have to use the button on the vehicle? If so, what happens if the button fails?

 

[RickMachE]

Ok, I get that. Without the signaling pins, how will the charger tell the port to unlock? Or will we always have to use the button on the vehicle? If so, what happens if the button fails?

The world ends.

The unlocking mechanism on the car can be activated at least 3 ways. If the mechanism itself fails, it wouldn't matter what type of fast charger you were using.

I'm confident that Tesla and Ford have thought of exactly how drivers will use, and misuse, the adapter and accounted for that.

 

[Jimrpa]

Oops, predictive text in the dark. I’ll fix!

Sorry - I’m still baffled. Why put the adaptor in the frunk?

 

[luckie]

My prediction is that the much vaunted Tesla uptime will take the same hit EA has taken when they start serving the great hoi paloi.

Seems likely. Agree.

 

[luckie]

What they do care about and this goes for everyone, is that the layout at most superchargers is not conductive to most non tesla. I.e. non tesla have to take up 2 spots.

The scenario where Tesla owners "freak out" because non tesla EVs are using superchargers mostly happens in Elon hater's mind.

Of course, once any DCFC/SuperCharger station is available for a variety of EVs, there are no longer very specific "correct" places for the vehicles to park.

 

[stealthytolkien]

No matter where non-Tesla owners park their cars at Tesla superchargers there will be a lot of unnecessary verbal conflicts. Does anyone here really think a Tesla owner will not freak out over a Chevy Bolt being at one of "their chargers?"

I look forward to the YouTube videos of Tesla Karen's going crazy and demanding non-Tesla owners get out of their spot so they could charge their Tesla. It's going to be a great!

First there was ICE-ing…now we have MME-ing!

 

[Trick.Mach-E]

As much as you want to paint a picture of Tesla owners feeling inconvenienced and blowing a gasket, I'll put your mind at ease, not bloody likely. Do you realize that for the past year, Chevy Bolts have been using the magic docks with AFAIK, no meltdowns? And this is on V3's where most non-Tesla's use the adjacent stall thereby blocking a stall. Over time, the slow charging non-Tesla's will fade away as will the stall blocking.
You seem to have an opinion of the typical Tesla owner based on a handful of outlier anomaly's which have nothing to do with the brand of car they drive. My suspicion is that it will be less of an issue than you currently have between a Taycan owner frustrated with a Bolt charging on the single 350kW charger when there's 3 empty 100kW plugs open. SpC's don't mix and match power supply typically.

Someone has been reading the Taycan forums! I remember the post where some Taycan owner was not happy about finding a Bolt at a 350kW charger when a 150kW charger was empty.... If only that Taycan owner had six other friends to block the other 5 chargers so he could get a really fast charge! ???

That Taycan owner was out of line. Every Taycan buyer knows they will be part of the great equalizer where it doesn't matter how much money you spend on your car known as Electrify America. There is no members only club for Taycan owners like there is with Tesla owners and going by the already well known Tesla on Tesla hate by Tesla Karen's when the Superchargers are full, there is zero doubt that there will not be any Tesla Karen's freaking out when they pull up to a bunch of Superchargers filled with everything but Tesla's!

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