Matrix Headlights?

[CommittotheIndian]

NA Mach E HCM's don't even have the DIDs available to change for this mod

That’s what I’ve located. I didn’t even have the HCM module.

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[Kamuelaflyer]

Well that’s clearly not true since the Ford Lighting is a US destined vehicle and with changes in the module, act consistent with the EU matrix headlamps. Which is the whole point of this thread.

Last I checked this is a MME forum. The Lightning design is more recent than the MME and the actual headlamp units on the MME premium are Adaptive LED headlamps which are very different than the Active Matrix LEDs found in the EU. Plus the NHTSA rules restrict lumens far below those of the active matrix units of the EU.

 

[Mach-Lee]

First, there's no way this will work on Selects/RT 1 which have the lower spec headlights. There's a chance it works on Premiums and GTs which have the same style of headlight as EU spec. I'm not sure what's actually different between the US and EU spec headlights. Could just be HCM software, or it could be actual physical construction as well.

For this to work, the IPMA needs to be sending data to the HCMs as to where local dimming is needed in the high beams. I believe the low beams are unaffected and always the same.

Someone would have to dive into this and compare US and EU versions of As-Built and HCM software. The F150 changes are a starting point but our cars will likely be different if it even works.

 

[CommittotheIndian]

Last I checked this is a MME forum. The Lightning design is more recent than the MME and the actual headlamp units on the MME premium are Adaptive LED headlamps which are very different than the Active Matrix LEDs found in the EU. Plus the NHTSA rules restrict lumens far below those of the active matrix units of the EU.

I'm aware this is a MME forum and I'm aware this will not work on the MME (I posted that at the beginning). You however said that it wasn't possible for vehicles destined for the US which is not accurate since the Lightning (I know not a lightning forum) is in the US.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

I'm aware this is a MME forum and I'm aware this will not work on the MME (I posted that at the beginning). You however said that it wasn't possible for vehicles destined for the US which is not accurate since the Lightning (I know not a lightning forum) is in the US.

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but I could see where the concept applies to the Mach-E

You weren’t talking about the Lightning, you were trying to make it work on your select.
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I am unable to find modules for HCM or IPMA in MY22' Select

Again, a Mach-e.

The headlamps are physically different on all US bound cars than those that have active matrix lamps in the Euro Zone or the U.K. The premium and GT models here have adaptive LED headlamps. The select has reflector lamps on its base configuration. The Euro Zone cars that are AWD ER have active matrix LED headlamps.

The three lamps are very different. In fact, they’re so different that there was a very significant production delay on EU/UK cars just because of how different they are and how they wouldn’t fit. There’s a 400+ page thread from 2020 and on that talk about it somewhere in there.

There are a load of difference in what the F-150 can do compared to the MME. It can tow, the MME can’t. It can use some very old EFACEC DCFC units, the MME can’t. In addition, the Lightning is, last I checked, an F-150 based vehicle. It is legally and common sense wise classified as a truck, not a passenger car. Where in the world would you get the idea that using “car” in a Mach-e forum also includes a light duty truck?

 

[CommittotheIndian]

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You weren’t talking about the Lightning, you were trying to make it work on your select.
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Again, a Mach-e.

The headlamps are physically different on all US bound cars than those that have active matrix lamps in the Euro Zone or the U.K. The premium and GT models here have adaptive LED headlamps. The select has reflector lamps on its base configuration. The Euro Zone cars that are AWD ER have active matrix LED headlamps.

The three lamps are very different. In fact, they’re so different that there was a very significant production delay on EU/UK cars just because of how different they are and how they wouldn’t fit. There’s a 400+ page thread from 2020 and on that talk about it somewhere in there.

There are a load of difference in what the F-150 can do compared to the MME. It can tow, the MME can’t. It can use some very old EFACEC DCFC units, the MME can’t. In addition, the Lightning is, last I checked, an F-150 based vehicle. It is legally and common sense wise classified as a truck, not a passenger car. Where in the world would you get the idea that using “car” in a Mach-e forum also includes a light duty truck?

Okay you win. It’s very clear you aren’t following the conversation.

I posted a video of someone who lives in Colorado(USA) with a Ford Lightning using matrix led lighting turned on via ForScan.

I know I asked the question about making it work for the MME and the 3rd post in this thread was me realizing it would not work.

You chose to comment about something that I had already determined was not possible, for the Mach E (or at the very least my Select).

However, your post said it wasn’t possible for any vehicle in the USA, completely ignoring the video posted was, in COLORADO, USA!

 

[Nygman]

I posted a video of someone who lives in Colorado(USA) with a Ford Lightning using matrix led lighting turned on via ForScan.

I saw the exact same video and thought the exact same thing. If you look at the specifications it looks like European and US cars both have active LED headlights, but it looks like the differences ours are not active matrix. I too would have thought they would have used the same lights as they did on the lightning as it makes production much easier, and the fact that this was pending and was likely to go into law would have made sense to do so.

And there's always a question of retrofitting. If indeed the European headlights have this functionality can we put them into our US cars. People swap lights all the time, but I'm not sure about headlights, and the computer that processes for the matrix lights.

And we confirmed that the part numbers are different?

Anyway I appreciate the question, I was coming here ask the same thing and I was happy to see that you'd posted your question.

I mean anything is possible, it's just how much it will cost and what you have to go through to make it work.

 

[Jimrpa]

I understand this is in reference to a Ford Lightning but I could see where the concept applies to the Mach-E. I haven't jumped on FORscan yet but was curious if anyone else had given this a shot?


*Converting your headlights into the European style Matrix Headlights which dim for passing vehicles.

Interesting, but you need the actual matrix headlamps, which aren’t available on US market cars. Clearly, she’s driving a European market F150 (although the British accent coupled with left hand drive is confusing? She must have a continental Europe model.

 

[Jimrpa]

But a good amount of manufacturers actually use the same headlight just disable the matrix amazingness in the US. Wish Ford was one of them!

Not for the MY21 Mustang Mach e premium AWD ER that I have. Just take a look at the headlamps and you’ll see they don’t have the array of LEDs needed to implement localized dimming. I’d be shocked if Ford installed much more expensive matrix headlamps on US market cars when they can’t be used.

 

[Jimrpa]

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You weren’t talking about the Lightning, you were trying to make it work on your select.
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Again, a Mach-e.

The headlamps are physically different on all US bound cars than those that have active matrix lamps in the Euro Zone or the U.K. The premium and GT models here have adaptive LED headlamps. The select has reflector lamps on its base configuration. The Euro Zone cars that are AWD ER have active matrix LED headlamps.

The three lamps are very different. In fact, they’re so different that there was a very significant production delay on EU/UK cars just because of how different they are and how they wouldn’t fit. There’s a 400+ page thread from 2020 and on that talk about it somewhere in there.

There are a load of difference in what the F-150 can do compared to the MME. It can tow, the MME can’t. It can use some very old EFACEC DCFC units, the MME can’t. In addition, the Lightning is, last I checked, an F-150 based vehicle. It is legally and common sense wise classified as a truck, not a passenger car. Where in the world would you get the idea that using “car” in a Mach-e forum also includes a light duty truck?

One tiny clarification - US market Premiums and GTs have Projector LED headlamps, not adaptive headlamps. the only modes they have are “off”, “low” (or dipped), and “high”. The accent lighting is used for DRL.
https://www.carscoops.com/2021/04/f...headlights-interfere-with-its-iihs-score/amp/

 

[CommittotheIndian]

Interesting, but you need the actual matrix headlamps, which aren’t available on US market cars. Clearly, she’s driving a European market F150 (although the British accent coupled with left hand drive is confusing? She must have a continental Europe model.

Not sure she has a European market. It’s a left hand vehicle, mentions Colorado at one point and the front plate (in the Thumbnail) says Oregon.

 

[Flydivesurf]

One tiny clarification - US market Premiums and GTs have Projector LED headlamps, not adaptive headlamps. the only modes they have are “off”, “low” (or dipped), and “high”. The accent lighting is used for DRL.
https://www.carscoops.com/2021/04/f...headlights-interfere-with-its-iihs-score/amp/

He got that from the spec or model highlight sheet probably, it’s what Ford called them iirc. Functionally, it’s just a name with a somewhat different light pattern due to the LEDs. And you’re right, there is no way to do this on any US MME at this time. People that are saying, “But the Lightning” are being obstinate. They’re built at different locations, for different markets and the MME entered production long before the Lightning. Plus not all of the EU or UK cars have active matrix headlamps anyway, the rwd drive model does not have them.

And yes, there was a production delay over the matrix headlamps. I remember it being discussed in the thread @trutolife27 started ages ago.

Finally for those clamoring for this feature, be sure to pony up. The U.S. led headlamps runs $1700 retail for replacement. The matrix headlamp is a darn sight more dear.

Miss my Mach-e. Well, as much as one can miss a car. It’ll be awhile before I get to see it again.

 

[generaltso]

Interesting, but you need the actual matrix headlamps, which aren’t available on US market cars. Clearly, she’s driving a European market F150 (although the British accent coupled with left hand drive is confusing? She must have a continental Europe model.

The F-150 Lightning isn't sold in Europe. Nikki lives in Oregon.

 

[Flydivesurf]

The F-150 Lightning isn't sold in Europe. Nikki lives in Oregon.

Yup. There’s a years difference in production timelines as well. The F-150 headlights also have no bearing on what’s in the mach-e. I’m betting on model refresh before we see them in the USA and I’d not be surprised if it becomes a premium and “above” feature as well.

I drove a RWD model in Glasgow (No the one in Scotland, it’s warmer) about 6 weeks ago. That was different. And not just the right hand drive. The people I was meeting in the Netherlands have a AWD ER, the lights are really great. Ex Pat lawyer community.

 

[su-ch+mache]

ok this is certainly not a Ford price category but for matrix LED head lights for the Audi A6
find the piece price below (it includs VAT).
It will not pay off to substitute current headlights by the matrix ones
currently you can convert 1:1 for a rough estimate

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