Mileage Complaint

[Stang68]

Just adding to the litany of people who are happy with the range. Mine is over the stated EPA range here in the States.

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[ab13]

This BMW site has a chart of the WLTP cycle, not too fast. Mostly slower speeds.

https://www.bmw.com/en/innovation/wltp.html

 

[JRT]

Just to add fuel, done in UK

https://cleantechnica.com/2021/09/03/ford-mustang-mach-e-sets-3-guinness-world-records-in-uk/

 

[Trevor]

Take it up with the EU regulatory agencies. This is a common complaint in EU - the testing reports a much higher range than most people actually experience. Ford fought a similar battle in the US and the US EPA agreed to allow Ford to understate what their testing showed. Ford in US was able to provide realistic range numbers to customers. Not so in EU. Most EV companies show 20% higher numbers in EU than in US. Same car, same battery, but different testing and estimating protocols.

That is my point exactly. Thank you.

 

[Trevor]

The claimed range in Europe and the UK is based on a totally different testing schema than the EPA setup in the US. It’s horribly flawed and nobody who has an EV is going to get that kind of range. OP’s gripe is about the range being claimed where he lives, which is not in the US.

Exactly so. Thank you.

 

[Trevor]

I 100% agree and almost pointed this out. The difference with an ICE vehicle is people don't really pay attention to MPG nearly as much as range. You can just stop and get gas so who cares.

I used to drive BMW 335 d X Drive and one of the fun games was to max out the eco gauge. Sad what you do when you have literally hours in a car on one day.

You are right though. The focus is different.

 

[Trevor]

Your anger and disappointment is obvious but have not realized it should be directed at your country testing standards dictated to manufacturers? The other brands are showing similar results too which makes since because they are similar to the MME, I bet they are so similar results to your MME observations. Sounds like you should get out of EV and head back to small diesel engine cars.

I've just bought this and intended to keep it for the long haul. Let's see how it goes. Don't think my one voice will matter, just interested to see if it bothered anyone else.

 

[Trevor]

You definitely need to find the accelerator pedal. It is on the floor right side

Love it. I get your logic, but surely you should get somewhere close to the target miles, after 2,000 miles and when you are trying to achieve anything close to the goal.

It seems that the EU measuring method is the issue, not my perception of what I should get. I'd be happier if I was getting over 300, for example.

As the dealers and Mach E Support both say noone is getting the target (almost hypothetical) mileage. If it were just me, then maybe I am wrong, but the US is being sold the car as a 270 mile range vehicle. We are being sold the same as a 335 mile car.

 

[Trevor]

I've noticed how quickly the range drops too. Yesterday I switched to "Whisper" mode and it looks like the mileage is increasing although I will watch and time will tell.

I definitely agree that dealers, service and sales are ill prepared. "Phone as a Key" wasn't working on my car when I picked it up and Service wants the car for a full day to do a software update. They looked at me like I was nuts when I said they couldn't have my iPhone for the day while they learned how to work on the car. Excuse me?!? Set the car up correctly on your phone and it should take less than 15 minutes to link my car to my phone. Dealer does NOT get my iPhone for the day! Local dealer doesn't have a 220 outlet that matches the 220 adapter that came with my Mach E. I like many things about the car and am not impressed with dealer preparedness.

We don't even get Paak. But we do get 2 crappy Ford keys.

 

[RonTCat]

Love it. I get your logic, but surely you should get somewhere close to the target miles, after 2,000 miles and when you are trying to achieve anything close to the goal.

It seems that the EU measuring method is the issue, not my perception of what I should get. I'd be happier if I was getting over 300, for example.

As the dealers and Mach E Support both say noone is getting the target (almost hypothetical) mileage. If it were just me, then maybe I am wrong, but the US is being sold the car as a 270 mile range vehicle. We are being sold the same as a 335 mile car.

What does your car report as energy consumption... you need about 3.8 miles/kWh to get a 335 mile range. If the car is reporting near this number, it will go 335 miles on a full charge regardless of what the display shows for estimated range.

 

[Trevor]

Contrary to popular belief, driving like grandma isn't great for your range in EVs. 1PD, Unbridled, full accelleration at every light, and I hit 80-100mph 3-5 times a week on the interstate...so...

I found something similar. I had a OPD unbridled drive for about an hour. Great fun. Returned 4.4 If I drove like that for long I would A) lose my licence and B) lose my wife. Lol.

 

[Trevor]

What does your car report as energy consumption... you need about 3.8 miles/kWh to get a 335 mile range. If the car is reporting near this number, it will go 335 miles on a full charge regardless of what the display shows for estimated range.

Thanks. I get that. Usually getting 3.1 3.3 and sometimes 3.8 and occasionally higher. Rarely though.

 

[Trevor]

Just adding to the litany of people who are happy with the range. Mine is over the stated EPA range here in the States.

I am only talking about the UK figure of 335. I am getting figures.similar to the US figures, but was sold the promise of more. That is my point. Thanks for the post.

 

[RonTCat]

Thanks. I get that. Usually getting 3.1 3.3 and sometimes 3.8 and occasionally higher. Rarely though.

It tells you how far from reality the EU test cycle for range is... think of how mild you have to drive to achieve 3.8m/kWh.

 

[timbop]

That is my point exactly. Thank you.

Love it. I get your logic, but surely you should get somewhere close to the target miles, after 2,000 miles and when you are trying to achieve anything close to the goal.

It seems that the EU measuring method is the issue, not my perception of what I should get. I'd be happier if I was getting over 300, for example.

As the dealers and Mach E Support both say noone is getting the target (almost hypothetical) mileage. If it were just me, then maybe I am wrong, but the US is being sold the car as a 270 mile range vehicle. We are being sold the same as a 335 mile car.

Here's the thing: You say you understand that the fault lies in the required testing procedure, but then you still seem imply Ford's corporate policy is to lie to you. It may seem like semantics but they are telling you the result of the WLTP test is 335 miles NOT that you will always be able to get 335 miles. If you drive the car at 35 mph on a flat course you will exceed 335 miles; drive it at 100mph and you will only get 200 miles.

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