New Member - looking for advice

[superdave80]

Additionally, while the acceleration was impressive, I found it somewhat overwhelming in its sudden delivery.

I test drove a GT and my neck hurt the next day from the whiplash of not being ready for the acceleration. I purchased a Select and have found it to have plenty of acceleration for me.

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[dan_meh]

The car will primarily be used for commuting to the office a few times a month and personal errands. A four-door configuration is essential, as I need convenient access for my three-year-old son's car seat—something that has been a challenge with my current two-door BMW.

For what it’s worth, I find the performance of the “normal” Mach-e variants plenty. I remember when a 0-60 time in six or seven seconds was a lot of performance. And the “feel” of the performance is different in a full EV. It’s punchy.

So I’d recommend giving the normal, non-GT versions a look. Could save you some cash.

On the subject of “SUV-ishness,” I went with the Mach-e because it feels more like a sportback than an SUV. I’m guessing that Ford had to call it an SUV because those three letters are like a magic marketing incantation. “Wagon” is a kiss of death in the market. Still, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so buy something that you find beautiful.

I agree with the recommendation on Polestar 2 if you want a roomy sedan that looks like a classic sedan.

 

[DaddyDeuce]

I’m guessing that Ford had to call it an SUV because those three letters are like a magic marketing incantation.

Under federal law the maximum MSRP for a car to qualify for the tax credit is $55,000. The maximum MSRP for an SUV to qualify is $80,000. If a carmaker wants to sell an EV over $55,000 and have it qualify for tax credits they have to make sure it is legally an SUV (or van or truck) and not a car.

 

[dan_meh]

Under federal law the maximum MSRP for a car to qualify for the tax credit is $55,000. The maximum MSRP for an SUV to qualify is $80,000. If a carmaker wants to sell an EV over $55,000 and have it qualify for tax credits they have to make sure it is legally an SUV (or van or truck) and not a car.

Excellent point! I didn’t even consider this. Going back to the OP’s point: Not wanting an SUV. This is a very practical reason why the “SUV” label should come with a grain of salt and why you see a few of us saying, “yeah, it says SUV on the tin, but in my experience…”

 

[Snakebitten]

It's a wagon. And I LOVE it!

 

[SPF79]

That's a beauty there!

Thank you!!!

 

[bmo]

Thank you all for your insights.

The 2023 BMW i4 M50 models available here are approximately 50% more expensive than the 2021–2022 Ford Mustang Mach-E GT Performance Edition. Since this would not be our primary vehicle, it’s difficult to justify spending more than $50,000 on a used car that will only be driven 3,000–4,000 km per year.

The Polestar was on my list to consider, but I had forgotten about it. I’ll check the local market and try to schedule a test drive.

Regarding the Mach-E, I would only consider the GT Performance Edition. In Canada, the standard GT model isn't available, and the MagneRide suspension is a key factor for me, as I prefer a more refined ride quality.

For those familiar with the Mach-E GT Performance Edition, are there any common issues or red flags I should watch out for when looking at used models? Any particular signs of battery degradation, suspension wear, or software-related concerns I should be aware of?

Thank you all for your advice and sharing your own experiences

 

[MrLoganRoss]

Polestar is very snug inside. The Mache is roomy. I looked at the polestar, but decided because of that and other things, including price, the GTPE was a much better selection for me. Also, not sure whether polestar has access to the Tesla chargers, but that can also make a big difference in the EV experience.

 

[HuntingPudel]

It's a wagon. And I LOVE it!

So are you saying: #NoTaNsUv? ??

 

[HuntingPudel]

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For those familiar with the Mach-E GT Performance Edition, are there any common issues or red flags I should watch out for when looking at used models? Any particular signs of battery degradation, suspension wear, or software-related concerns I should be aware of?

Thank you all for your advice and sharing your own experiences

If you are not concerned with quarter mile or any other kinds of extended performance this doesn’t apply: The 2021-2023 GT (including the GT-PE) has what we lovingly call the “5 Second Limiter.” This is in software and there is currently no software update that will change this. Ford has not said a thing about any possible change to this, whether it be the same, more relaxed limiter on the 2024, or something in between the two limiters. Again, this does not apply if you are not concerned with performance past 70mph. ??

Another concern is that Ford specifically states that you cannot use chains or cables with the 20” wheels. You will need a specific set of wheels and tires for your snowy season. The larger brakes on the GT-PE also mean that very few smaller diameter wheels will fit, so you need to be very careful when fitting 19” wheels to the car and anything smaller is right out. ??

And, of course there is the High Voltage Battery Junction Box (HVBJB). The HVBJB is more prone to breaking in the GT than in other models simply because the GT can draw a lot of power. A 2021 or pre-June 2022 with the original HVBJB is likely to fail its HVBJB. There was a change to the design in late May of 2022, but this part (LK9Z-10C666-B) seems to have a similar failure rate to the earlier part, so late 2022s through November 2023 cars are also suspect In this regard. The LK9Z-10C666-C part was released late November of 2023. We are beginning to see failures of this part but not in the percentages that we were seeing with the two earlier parts. Note that the 2024 GT draws even more power than the previous GTs, for a much longer time, so a 2021-2023 with the third generation part is statistically less likely to break this part. This part is covered under the 8 year/100,000 mile warranty. Anyhow, look for a car that has had its HVBJB replaced with the current part. ??

Oh, and if you are looking at a 2021, note that you could get one with a metal roof, but since Ford was being greedy they tied the 360 camera option to the glass roof, forcing you to buy both options together or not at all. The 360 cameras are required for BlueCruise. I chose metal roof on my 2021 since I didn’t care about blueCruise, even though I wanted the cameras. Ford fixed that in 2024. ??

Other than those, there are deletions of features that happened over the years, such as Park Assist (scary, I never used it), Kick to Open liftgate (many people found this to not work well anyhow). The feature upgrades that happened over the years are through software, so most of those should be available or have already been installed in the car. When you find likely candidates, post their VINs on the FDRS thread and ask for one of the volunteers there to look up the car’s service history and open software update status. ??

 

[dan_meh]

I can’t let go of the wagon idea. I so happened to park next to an old school Subaru wagon, the generation before Outbacks became an angry robot.

The MME is comparable in height and size. SUV is in the eye of the beholder (and tax credits).

 

[dbsb3233]

I can’t let go of the wagon idea. I so happened to park next to an old school Subaru wagon, the generation before Outbacks became an angry robot.

The MME is comparable in height and size. SUV is in the eye of the beholder (and tax credits).

The sad part is, even after 4 years there's not all that many (non-pickup) BEVs that are taller/bigger. The EV9 sets that standard now (along with the too-expensive-for-most R1S and Gravity), but there's not much else that's bigger (some others of similar size).

That's one of the reasons we chose the Mach-E, because it (barely) made the cut for my minimum height prerequisite. I hate crawling down into/up out of low vehicles.

 

[Tampamike]

The sad part is, even after 4 years there's not all that many (non-pickup) BEVs that are taller/bigger. The EV9 sets that standard now (along with the too-expensive-for-most R1S and Gravity), but there's not much else that's bigger (some others of similar size).

That's one of the reasons we chose the Mach-E, because it (barely) made the cut for my minimum height prerequisite. I hate crawling down into/up out of low vehicles.

I totally agree. Size wise, the MME is ok for me but my last two cars were just a bit bigger and I liked that size - Edge and a BMW X6. I’ve been hoping to find that size for a follow-on EV but 5 years later, it’s still not there.

 

[HuntingPudel]

I can’t let go of the wagon idea. I so happened to park next to an old school Subaru wagon, the generation before Outbacks became an angry robot.

The MME is comparable in height and size. SUV is in the eye of the beholder (and tax credits).

LOL in my mind my ‘72 K/5 is a station wagon. It’s just tall. ??

 

[bmo]

If you are not concerned with quarter mile or any other kinds of extended performance this doesn’t apply: The 2021-2023 GT (including the GT-PE) has what we lovingly call the “5 Second Limiter.” This is in software and there is currently no software update that will change this. Ford has not said a thing about any possible change to this, whether it be the same, more relaxed limiter on the 2024, or something in between the two limiters. Again, this does not apply if you are not concerned with performance past 70mph. ??

I really don't see my self racing around in the, 0-60 kmhs is mostly what the car will see. the the 70mph performance capping is that only if your going from 0-70? what happens if your on the hwy and want to pass someone well you are already going 65-70 already? we have hwy here that have speeds of 120 khm which is around 75mph.

And, of course there is the High Voltage Battery Junction Box (HVBJB). The HVBJB is more prone to breaking in the GT than in other models simply because the GT can draw a lot of power. A 2021 or pre-June 2022 with the original HVBJB is likely to fail its HVBJB. There was a change to the design in late May of 2022, but this part (LK9Z-10C666-B) seems to have a similar failure rate to the earlier part, so late 2022s through November 2023 cars are also suspect In this regard. The LK9Z-10C666-C part was released late November of 2023. We are beginning to see failures of this part but not in the percentages that we were seeing with the two earlier parts. Note that the 2024 GT draws even more power than the previous GTs, for a much longer time, so a 2021-2023 with the third generation part is statistically less likely to break this part. This part is covered under the 8 year/100,000 mile warranty. Anyhow, look for a car that has had its HVBJB replaced with the current part. ??

I am not sure how to check if the used model I am looking at as the HVBJB replaced or not. the car looks to be bought from the other side of Canada and brought into BC. anyway to find this out?

Oh, and if you are looking at a 2021, note that you could get one with a metal roof, but since Ford was being greedy they tied the 360 camera option to the glass roof, forcing you to buy both options together or not at all. The 360 cameras are required for BlueCruise. I chose metal roof on my 2021 since I didn’t care about blueCruise, even though I wanted the cameras. Ford fixed that in 2024. ??

oh damn I didn't know the mach e gt pe had a option to have the metal roof and no 360. damn the one I was looking at just so happened to be one of the metal roof ones. I do want the 360 camera and I would like the have the option for blue curse. I am glad you pointed that out as I would not of realized till i went to the dealer to buy it.

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