OKTB today..?

[trutolife27]

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[DiscWiz]

Problem is that should be the main focus of the article, not a way to bash the MACH-E or EV's in general. CR is calling out that they have given the MACH-E a below reliability rating because it's in it's first year. They really are just saying anything in its first year should be avoided. I agree with this too, but in this case I wanted the first edition and I need a car now. So with the said I am going to take that risk and enjoy one cool toy.

Anyway, who wants a Tesla, cool people like me don't - kidding, nothing wrong with them, but in my neck of the woods everyone has one, but no one has a MACH-E yet.

I've struggled with CR for awhile now. The recommendations and the testing seem suspect. Even with the product in hand they seem to miss the mark more times then not. This is just an odd article from start to finish.

 

[trutolife27]

The mache is still getting built. The oktb is only 7 days delayed. You're not talking weeks, months, a year. 7 days half of last week was holidays also. If the oktb was a month or longer then i could some complaining.

7 days well I don't know how some people have kids or married lol. Can't tell you the first or last time we were ever ready on time.

It is a small issue and ford needs to right be they ship. Why send out problems and start off bad.

 

[dbsb3233]

In my opinion, giving a car a reliability rating of "below average" is like giving a student a "D" before class starts based on the "expert" opinion that they are going to struggle.

I understand that there is a desire to forecast future reliability (although the success of forecasting is highly suspect in my opinion), but it should have at least a minimal amount of factual basis. In this case, a new vehicle with no background other then who builds it, where it is built and the fact that it's an EV doesn't seem sufficient to give out a "below average" grade. They could just as well give it an "incomplete", starting that there just isn't enough data yet to give a grade. They could still inform consumers about the general risks of reliability when buying a new model line vehicle.

What you're really saying is that CR should never give a "predicted reliability" grade to any new vehicles. Because it's just that - a prediction. They could spend a full month with the car and it still wouldn't be able to really tell what's going to happen to it in 3,5,7 years.

I somewhat agree with you, but I just take "predicted reliability" for what it actually is -- simply an analysis of trends and likelihoods based on broad factors (like 1st year and new features/technology that have little-to-no track record). It's undoubtedly true that such things tend to be buggier than well-proven things.

Unfortunately some potential buyers probably do read more into that "predicted" rating than they should.

 

[dbsb3233]

I've struggled with CR for awhile now. The recommendations and the testing seem suspect. Even with the product in hand they seem to miss the mark more times then not. This is just an odd article from start to finish.

Edmunds has been my favorite for the last 20 years. Although I do tend to use the US News rankings too, as they seem to be a consolidator of multiple review sites.

 

[janitorjim]

The mache is still getting built. The oktb is only 7 days delayed. You're not talking weeks, months, a year. 7 days half of last week was holidays also. If the oktb was a month or longer then i could some complaining.

7 days well I don't know how some people have kids or married lol. Can't tell you the first or last time we were ever ready on time.

It is a small issue and ford needs to right be they ship. Why send out problems and start off bad.

 

[VegStang]

I know, impatient lot we are.

You're not talking weeks, months, a year.

 

[JCHLi]

What you're really saying is that CR should never give a "predicted reliability" grade to any new vehicles. Because it's just that - a prediction. They could spend a full month with the car and it still wouldn't be able to really tell what's going to happen to it in 3,5,7 years.

I somewhat agree with you, but I just take "predicted reliability" for what it actually is -- simply an analysis of trends and likelihoods based on broad factors (like 1st year and new features/technology that have little-to-no track record). It's undoubtedly true that such things tend to be buggier than well-proven things.

Unfortunately some potential buyers probably do read more into that "predicted" rating than they should.

My point isn't that they should never attempt to give a rating, but rather that a rating should have some basis beyond "it's new." If that is all it is based on, all new cars would be "below average" and it becomes meaningless to give a rating to any individual new car. They could just say, "all new vehicles are below average in reliability'. If they have a basis, they should provide it to support their rating.

 

[Mike16]

The mache is still getting built. The oktb is only 7 days delayed. You're not talking weeks, months, a year.

Are you telling that it is OKTB now? ?
Delayed 7 days, now it is OK? ?

 

[OttawaGuy]

The mache is still getting built. The oktb is only 7 days delayed. You're not talking weeks, months, a year. 7 days half of last week was holidays also. If the oktb was a month or longer then i could some complaining.

7 days well I don't know how some people have kids or married lol. Can't tell you the first or last time we were ever ready on time.

It is a small issue and ford needs to right be they ship. Why send out problems and start off bad.

As long as the plant is continuing to build them and the parking lot is not full there is no really delays to be expected aside from the shipping.

If they stopped everything and the parking lot was full, that would be a problem!!!

But as soon as the trains start leaving the plant, all will go well!

 

[ChasingCoral]

im not worried about the deliveries being delayed but im wondering if this will cause a daisy chain effect for the remaining builds.

The good news is they have continued production. With any luck we'll hear they issued OKTB soon and start shipping. Maybe some quick deliveries in Kansas City where the rail cars split East & West and maybe some direct trucks over the border?

 

[ChasingCoral]

It's a tricky situation. It's actually just a "predicted reliability" they issued, not an overall vehicle rating. But because there's a void in the latter, the former carries more weight.

They exist to provide advice for shoppers. For a vehicle that isn't available yet, they can either say nothing and ignore buyers considering a 1st year model yet to launch, or serve them with "predicted" ratings like this. I can see how they'd feel compelled to try and serve those buyers too.

But it should be taken with a grain of salt, IMO.

I'll take it with a nothing and decide when mine arrives!

 

[engnrng]

What you're really saying is that CR should never give a "predicted reliability" grade to any new vehicles. Because it's just that - a prediction. They could spend a full month with the car and it still wouldn't be able to really tell what's going to happen to it in 3,5,7 years.

I somewhat agree with you, but I just take "predicted reliability" for what it actually is -- simply an analysis of trends and likelihoods based on broad factors (like 1st year and new features/technology that have little-to-no track record). It's undoubtedly true that such things tend to be buggier than well-proven things.

Unfortunately some potential buyers probably do read more into that "predicted" rating than they should.

Many of the "issues" and "bug fixes" that CR lumps into "reliability " are more accurately described as consumer complaints, not reliability. If owners fill out a survey next year and complain that they don't like the physical knob, CR will mark down the reliability. I would only add that feature into reliability if the knob falls off. If you don't see the difference, you can stop reading this post. The evaluation of reliability includes things that stop working as designed. CR includes paint blemishes in Reliability but that is a manufacturer defect, not a reliability failure. There are engineers who specialize in reliability assessments, perhaps CR might consider having one or two on their staff...

 

[ChasingCoral]

Let them take their time. Its a 100% brand new car. At this point hold them until the new year and hit the ground running at that point. For me I was already expecting the march april delivery to be a june july delivery and this delay is pretty much confirming that unless covid continues to prolong the delay in Mexico and the U.S.

Agreed. I'd prefer they do it right rather than shave off a week or two of finalizing things they really need to work on.

 

[ajmartineau]

I agree, ...really I was just trying to get the topic back to oktb. The title doesn't say "CR sucks, what do you think?"

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