Real World Range

[Bill Upstate]

Hi,
I’m new here,
Although not new to Ford EV. We are thinking of changing to the Mach-e extended range AWD Premium, we currently have a Lightning.
Problem is we live in Baja and real range is important given the fact that DC charging is non existent and AC charging is few and far between.
I also know the dealer will tell you what you want to hear and the published numbers on a window sticker is fiction.
Will I be able to safely do 400km (250miles) on the open road?
I can do it with the Lightning but I have to stay under 100km/h (60mph)
Regen as much possible and not use the AC.
There is NO backup or roadside assistance, the longest stretch is 397km.
Claimed range in the Lightning is 483km (302m), exactly the same as the ER MMe….however the Lightning has a 123kwh battery as opposed to the 88kwh of the MMe.
I’ve never seen more than 430km (268m) in the Lightning….ever!
One more thing we always drive in 30+ (87f) degrees weather,
Thanks

I get over 260 miles with the LFP battery. I'll probably get less in winter where I live, but in Southern Cal you should see the same results from the LFP battery.

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[alexw]

I would not chance that trip in my Rally. I probably wouldn't chance that trip in my old EV6 either with 275 nameplate range and probably a legit 250 on a highway at modest speed. Way too close for comfort in either, and in both you do have a very practical concern that the ICCU or HVBJB dies along the way. The chance of either is generally low enough for me to ignore, but where I drive such problems can always be solved with money and time should they arise.

If I had to manage that trip, I'd probably switch back to a PHEV, and I'd be very excited about the new crop of EREVs coming out (though I still probably wouldn't buy one for that trip until reliability is established!).

Otherwise I'd stick with the real range monsters - maybe RWD mach e extended, model 3 long range, RWD E-GMP (with a puckered butt) etc.

 

[NY_Cade69]

3.5 of what?

This:

Blasting AC in the summer and mostly driving in town, I usually get 4.4 to 4.8 miles per kWh. This morning, my car was predicting about 275 miles of range.

 

[jmcbrew]

This:

Why does the battery size matter? We’re talking efficiency. For what it’s worth, I have the 75.7 kWh battery. How much of that is usable… 64, 65 kWh? Here’s my efficiency today so far with AC set to 60°F and AUTO level 2. It’s 90°F out right now.

 

[NY_Cade69]

Why does the battery size matter? We’re talking efficiency. For what it’s worth, I have the 75.7 kWh battery. How much of that is usable… 64, 65 kWh? Here’s my efficiency today so far with AC set to 60°F and AUTO level 2. It’s 90°F out right now.

Wow, how many miles was that averaged over?

 

[jmcbrew]

Wow, how many miles was that averaged over?

I don’t remember. I just stopped for lunch, though. Here’s what I have so far:

 

[goneAWOL]

Why does the battery size matter?

Read the original thread again.

 

[Kenzo]

WOW,
I’m really hoping you are right,
Your range would suggest the window sticker number is achievable. My experience with the F150 is not even close to that.
Do you get the same range going to the Lake as coming from it?
Thanks for the input.

Despite me believing that we can make it all the way home , wifey won't take the chance so we stop and add a bit of charge. So I can't really tell. It's more downhill coming home than going up though. We get up north with around 260 km left. If you know the area I am going from Innisfil to Britt Ontario.
We stop in Parry Sound at a Tesla charger so the Mrs can relax her range anxiety.

 

[goneAWOL]

Despite me believing that we can make it all the way home , wifey won't take the chance so we stop and add a bit of charge. So I can't really tell. It's more downhill coming home than going up though. We get up north with around 260 km left. If you know the area I am going from Innisfil to Britt Ontario.
We stop in Parry Sound at a Tesla charger so the Mrs can relax her range anxiety.

 

[bbulkow]

Hi,
I’m new here,
Although not new to Ford EV. We are thinking of changing to the Mach-e extended range AWD Premium, we currently have a Lightning.
Problem is we live in Baja and real range is important given the fact that DC charging is non existent and AC charging is few and far between.
I also know the dealer will tell you what you want to hear and the published numbers on a window sticker is fiction.
Will I be able to safely do 400km (250miles) on the open road?
I can do it with the Lightning but I have to stay under 100km/h (60mph)
Regen as much possible and not use the AC.
There is NO backup or roadside assistance, the longest stretch is 397km.
Claimed range in the Lightning is 483km (302m), exactly the same as the ER MMe….however the Lightning has a 123kwh battery as opposed to the 88kwh of the MMe.
I’ve never seen more than 430km (268m) in the Lightning….ever!
One more thing we always drive in 30+ (87f) degrees weather,
Thanks

Yes, 250 is easily achievable.

I drive from my house in the SF bay area, to reno Nevada, a few times.

It's also almost exactly 250 miles - 248, according to google, to the Tesla charge I use.

It's a substantial net elevation gain going (which I get back on return): 4000 ft. According to a simple calcuation, this is about 8% of my battery.

I leave at 100% (going) I arrive at 10%. I set the cruise to 67 mph. Sometimes I find a Lightning to draft behind usually I don't worry much.

I would arrive at 18% if I was going to and from the same elevation, a basic calculation tells me. Feels about right.

I have a 2023 ER RWD. I currently have 5% battery degradation (reported via car scanner). I have the stock tires (second set). I set my PSI a little high (41 instead of 38). Otherwise the car is bone stock normal.

I believe a 2025 has a few improvements - but I certainly think of 300 as the real world maximum - and this pencils out to 305 miles - the sticker was 304 - 250 in an ER is no problem.

 

[bbulkow]

Yes, 250 is easily achievable.

I drive from my house in the SF bay area, to reno Nevada, a few times.

It's also almost exactly 250 miles - 248, according to google, to the Tesla charge I use.

Oh, and the car FREAKS OUT over donner pass and screams about how I'm never going to make my destination. Then I go over the pass and it's like .... dude.... no problem.... as it gets a nice charge going down to reno.

The first time I believed the car and topped off at an EA up at Truckee. Then I realize I just didn't need the stop. Haven't since..... just roll

 

[jmcbrew]

Read the original thread again.

I don't think the reply had anything to do with the original post. They claimed that 3.5 (miles per kWh) was the max on a 73 kWh battery. That didn't make any sense to me, which is why I asked them why the battery would make a difference on efficiency. Kind of like saying a car with a 12 gallon gas tank will max out at 25 MPG. The tank size (or battery size) has little to do with the efficiency.

 

[NY_Cade69]

My 3.5 M/kWh assertion was for a 100% down to 0% average efficiency.

I saw 4.8 M/kWh on my GOM today, ain't no way I'm gonna run this Mach-E for 422.miles without charging.

 

[67 Stang Convertible]

OP, not worth the daily anxiety. If you have access to Mach E, get a single motor (RWD) up to 320 mile charge or consider finding something else. The Lucid Airs used are in the $50's and can get substantially more range than the MME. If you're independently wealthy and don't mind "flexing" the wallet a little.....the new BMW IX3(or 5) has some damn staggering range stats!!!! Of course you have to reconcile supporting a country that started WW1 and WW2; but I digress.....

Wind, rain and temp are going to be variables you cannot control......Limiting your speed to get home stinks!!!

 

[Teslaeata]

Hi,
I’m new here,
Although not new to Ford EV. We are thinking of changing to the Mach-e extended range AWD Premium, we currently have a Lightning.
Problem is we live in Baja and real range is important given the fact that DC charging is non existent and AC charging is few and far between.
I also know the dealer will tell you what you want to hear and the published numbers on a window sticker is fiction.
Will I be able to safely do 400km (250miles) on the open road?
I can do it with the Lightning but I have to stay under 100km/h (60mph)
Regen as much possible and not use the AC.
There is NO backup or roadside assistance, the longest stretch is 397km.
Claimed range in the Lightning is 483km (302m), exactly the same as the ER MMe….however the Lightning has a 123kwh battery as opposed to the 88kwh of the MMe.
I’ve never seen more than 430km (268m) in the Lightning….ever!
One more thing we always drive in 30+ (87f) degrees weather,
Thanks

No!

My RWD ER in UK is rated at “upto” 379 miles, in US that rating would be less and for an AWD would be less still.

Nowhere on the planet in any conditions do I think I’d ever get that 379 miles!

230max in winter and UPTO 280 miles in summer is best I always have managed to get so means I wouldn’t rely on driving 250 mile runs with no chance of a public charge, I’m afraid.

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