Rented a Tesla while on vacation and still prefer our GTP

[Deleted User 981389]

I'm 3 days and about 500 miles into a 8 day Model 3 Performance rental with Full Self Driving (disabled because of some previous renters poor driving). I'm renting using Turo which so far has been great. We got our Mach-e GTP last October which was our second EV the first being a Hyundai Ionic. So this is from the perspective of EV driver that didn't start on Tesla.

So back home in Maryland I see a few Teslas on the road every day but not like here in the Pacific North West, they are everywhere! I thought the charging infrastructure would be better out here but I've found certain areas have no supercharger support at all. The owner supplied a level 2 adapter but that's worthless for my needs. So any DCFC other than Tesla I can't use . I'm really surprised at lack of superchargers, and they're not all super. rolled up on a couple where they are limited to around 72kW. I will admit it's plug and play and it just works so that's good. Our previous charging has been 99.9% home based so I have no other opinion on the matter.

Things I like: Dog mode is nice, theater while waiting for charge, wireless phone chargers, Tesla app or PAAK is great, in car UI except the nav. Other than the nav the UI is responsive and intuitive. Lane changing on auto pilot I will admit is a nice feature.

Things I hate: Model 3 Performance is so low that it grounds out on speed bumps, ferry ramps and well just about everything. Enhance AutoPilot (not FSD) in my opinion is not safe and really needs to be limited to freeways. I can't believe i'm saying that because I assumed it was way better than it actually is and was a little jealous my BlueCruse was limited to major freeways. It's unpredictable on roads with cross traffic and intersections. Phantom braking is real and it SUCKS. Granted i'm only a few days into using it but I'm making corrections probably every minute or so. I want an on/off button, car spent half a day running the A/C while parked just because... well I have no idea. Oh can't forget Give me a cluster in front of my face not to the side of it. Build Quality, yep all that I heard and didn't quite believe is kind of true with gaps and rattles and odd noises.


PERFORMANCE: It's not as good or just about the same. 0-60 feels a little less aggressive than the GTP. Power limitations at higher speeds feel about the same as the GTP - it's got jail bars, you just don't get to see them.

Gimmicky: fart sounds, light show, games ect... not a fan. I'm a little split on the visualization screen, I'm a geek and I think it's cool but what's it really doing for my driving experience? The turn signal camera view at night is overpowered by the red flashy light.

There are just some random thoughts I wanted to share, the wife and I both confirmed we are happy with the GTP and the grass isn't greener on the other side.

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[JohnFoxeSheets]

Last year over the holidays I got to use a M3 for a couple weeks (very generous friends that let me use their car while my wife and I were house sitting for them). The car had auto-pilot but not FSD. Lane-changing wasn't supported. While I liked how the car drove, I hated auto-pilot, especially the fact that if I made more that the slightest steering correction, it would shut off! I was constantly re-engaging it. (This was before I bought my MME GT, and I'll admit the M3 was my gateway drug into EVs.) Shortly before I purchased my MME a (different) friend was selling his 2018 M3P. No surprise it was even more fun to drive than the M3 (it's a bit faster than my GT), but even though it had FSD with lane change, it had the same shut-off FSD stupidity when I needed to make anything more than the most minor of steering adjustments. I also don't think the UI is all that great, though I'll admit that the infotainment system is a bit more responsive than the MME's.

Honestly I've had zero regrets about getting the MME rather than one of Elon's poorly constructed cars.

 

[Boselka]

We originally had a model y deposit, and as long term l owners of the stock and fans of what the company was doing file the EV industry, we intended to buy a model Y.

Then in January 2021, I found out about Turo, and since I travel for work a lot I decided I was only going to rent Model Ys going forward.

First Model Y was a performance model rented in Denver. It was a 2020 model, and the first thing we noticed was how much everything rattled inside the car, it felt like every panel was coming off. Actually 2 panels were, every time we got in the car to drive we had to snap the B pillar panel on both sides back into place. Plus we found the ride unbearably harsh. I swear driving in a parking lot you could count the change it rolled over, and could tellthe difference between a quarter and two dimes and a nickel. So we figuredThe performance model was not for us and that it was so harsh that was why everything was falling off at 25,000 miles.

Second Model Y was rented in Sacramento, a long range 2021 model with onl 1,500 miles on it, we thought here is our chance, a new one, in the trim package we wanted. Got in started drinking, and no rattles! it was much smoother offa ride . However the drivers side rear door would not close unless you slammed the shit out of it . And as you said this one has FSD (not beta) which was awful, it would panic at nearly every shadow in the road (alarm and slamming on the brakes) it thought nearly every overpass was trying to decapitate us, and any corner on the highway it would take too late and too wide so I would accidentally deactivate the system because I was trying to not run off the road then after day 4 in the car the dash started to rattle and did not stop for the remainder of the trip .

The third one we rented was in DC, 2021 with 6,000 miles long range model. This one had two cameras that were non functional (no damage, they just did not work so all autopilot functions did not work. Also it has some software glitch where the mic would only pick up your voice for the voice commands, but for phone calls. Tried three different phones, muted and unmuted, tried everything, and it would not work . It also has the same dash rattle , and the drivers side B pillar trim was starting to come loose .

So now we own a Mach-E and love it, no problems with it still far. We have rented through Turo two other Mach-Es, both had no issues. We have done 4 road trips in our (over 2,000 miles each) and love the car. We have also rented 3 other Model Ys all of which have had issues. So from our experience, Tesla has better charging infrastructure, and a little better software, but everything else about the company is bleeding edge not cutting edge, and it is painfully obvious that they are still trying to figure out how to build a nice car cheaply. They experiment on their owners, and it is just not for us.

 

[Mach1E]

I'm 3 days and about 500 miles into a 8 day Model 3 Performance rental with Full Self Driving (disabled because of some previous renters poor driving). I'm renting using Turo which so far has been great. We got our Mach-e GTP last October which was our second EV the first being a Hyundai Ionic. So this is from the perspective of EV driver that didn't start on Tesla.

So back home in Maryland I see a few Teslas on the road every day but not like here in the Pacific North West, they are everywhere! I thought the charging infrastructure would be better out here but I've found certain areas have no supercharger support at all. The owner supplied a level 2 adapter but that's worthless for my needs. So any DCFC other than Tesla I can't use . I'm really surprised at lack of superchargers, and they're not all super. rolled up on a couple where they are limited to around 72kW. I will admit it's plug and play and it just works so that's good. Our previous charging has been 99.9% home based so I have no other opinion on the matter.

Things I like: Dog mode is nice, theater while waiting for charge, wireless phone chargers, Tesla app or PAAK is great, in car UI except the nav. Other than the nav the UI is responsive and intuitive. Lane changing on auto pilot I will admit is a nice feature.

Things I hate: Model 3 Performance is so low that it grounds out on speed bumps, ferry ramps and well just about everything. Enhance AutoPilot (not FSD) in my opinion is not safe and really needs to be limited to freeways. I can't believe i'm saying that because I assumed it was way better than it actually is and was a little jealous my BlueCruse was limited to major freeways. It's unpredictable on roads with cross traffic and intersections. Phantom braking is real and it SUCKS. Granted i'm only a few days into using it but I'm making corrections probably every minute or so. I want an on/off button, car spent half a day running the A/C while parked just because... well I have no idea. Oh can't forget Give me a cluster in front of my face not to the side of it. Build Quality, yep all that I heard and didn't quite believe is kind of true with gaps and rattles and odd noises.


PERFORMANCE: It's not as good or just about the same. 0-60 feels a little less aggressive than the GTP. Power limitations at higher speeds feel about the same as the GTP - it's got jail bars, you just don't get to see them.

Gimmicky: fart sounds, light show, games ect... not a fan. I'm a little split on the visualization screen, I'm a geek and I think it's cool but what's it really doing for my driving experience? The turn signal camera view at night is overpowered by the red flashy light.

There are just some random thoughts I wanted to share, the wife and I both confirmed we are happy with the GTP and the grass isn't greener on the other side.

Interesting that the butt Dyno makes the M3P feel slower.

It isn’t slower, but feels slower. My guess is because how aggressive the torque ramp up and drop off on the Mach E GTPE is. The Model 3P acceleration seems more linear.

Does beg the question about “fun.” Which is more fun, feeling faster or being faster?

Reminds me of the experience when I drove two different, very fast cars. A 2009 Nissan GTR and a 2021 M5 competition.

Both are very fast. But the acceleration is so linear…… they didn’t feel that fast. Or at least didn’t feel as fast as I know they are.

 

[flapjake314]

your comment re: ground clearance is pretty surprising to me, i thought about this for a long time before i bought the mach e but it's only 0.2 inches more than the sedan model 3. i know 0.2 inches might be fairly material in this sense when we're talking small #s but i wouldn't have guessed it was a world different -- said another way i baby my mach e on bumps too

biggest benefit on tesla does seem to be battery / charging though, i keep hearing that over and over

 

[Mach1E]

your comment re: ground clearance is pretty surprising to me, i thought about this for a long time before i bought the mach e but it's only 2 inches more than the sedan model 3. i know 2 inches is fairly material in this sense but i wouldn't have guessed it was a world different -- said another way i baby my mach e on bumps too

biggest benefit on tesla does seem to be battery / charging though, i keep hearing that over and over

When you only have 6 inches to give……. 2 inches is a ton. ?

 

[Deleted User 981389]

Interesting that the butt Dyno makes the M3P feel slower.

For us the butt dyno trumps reality and it's all about the driving experience.

Just look at the Miata. They don't make big power and aren't necessarily fast but many consider it to deliver one of the best driving experiences.

 

[flapjake314]

When you only have 6 inches to give……. 2 inches is a ton. ?

sorry i typed it wrong originally. tesla model 3 is at 5.5inches and mach e is at 5.7inches, it's just 0.2 inches difference (according to specs). again this is why i was a bit surprised you felt like it was dramatically different.

i'll change my original post to avoid confusing future readers but am fessing up it was originally my typo

i have noticed one thing on the mach e though, the outer edge of the car is HIGHER clearance than the actual "middle" of the car. it makes the car look higher up from your usual vantage point, but if you lean down and look you'll see the battery pack is lower

 

[Deleted User 981389]

your comment re: ground clearance is pretty surprising to me, i thought about this for a long time before i bought the mach e but it's only 2 inches more than the sedan model 3. i know 2 inches is fairly material in this sense but i wouldn't have guessed it was a world different -- said another way i baby my mach e on bumps too

biggest benefit on tesla does seem to be battery / charging though, i keep hearing that over and over

This is the performance version which is lowered and on low profile tires. My mistake in choosing this flavor.

 

[Deleted User 981389]

sorry i typed it wrong originally. tesla model 3 is at 5.5inches and mach e is at 5.7inches, it's just 0.2 inches difference (according to specs). again this is why i was a bit surprised you felt like it was dramatically different.

i'll change my original post to avoid confusing future readers but am fessing up it was originally my typo

i have noticed one thing on the mach e though, the outer edge of the car is HIGHER clearance than the actual "middle" of the car. it makes the car look higher up from your usual vantage point, but if you lean down and look you'll see the battery pack is lower

There's a chance this may not be stock tires. It scraped in the middle driving up a ferry ramp. Usually hits right behind front tires or in front of back tires. If I forget to go super slow the front hits hard when the suspension compresses a bit.

 

[pcpacker]

Departure and approach angles maybe a bigger reason for rubbing the front of the car (more than overall ground clearance).

 

[Mach1E]

Departure and approach angles maybe a bigger reason for rubbing the front of the car (more than overall ground clearance).

This is what I was going to say.

Scraping on ramps is a result of this.

If there were no angles involved, 1” of ground clearance would be fine.

 

[Ming]

glad more people prefer MME
after driving back and forth her MME and my Model Y, now my daughter wants a Tesla to replace her MME, but the wait is so long...

IMHO, neither Tesla FSD nor Ford BlueCruise should be released for customer use. just too many errors, may not cause accident, but make you feel unsafe and have to pay attention all the time. more so with BC, which keeps disabling handsfree or cancelling BC. FSD issues are more predictable after you get used to it, even some of the phantom brakes (not all).

BTW, for high speed, did the owner limit your top speed? the owner can set a speed limit and you can't drive over it.

 

[Deleted User 981389]

This is what I was going to say.

Scraping on ramps is a result of this.

If there were no angles involved, 1” of ground clearance would be fine.

The ramp scrape was in the middle, so that's breakover. The other scrapes are after the fronts and before the rears which is neither approach or depart. Not sure what that's called. I should have said it's scraping the battery area for better description.

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