Stop & Robs become Stop & Charges?

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Convenience stores want to bring EV charging to rural America
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BENGT HALVORSON JANUARY 24, 2022 68 COMMENTS
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Is rural America ready for electric vehicles? And where would you charge your Ford F-150 Lightning or Tesla Cybertruck when out on a long ranch errand?
Although a hearing of the House Committee on Agriculture earlier this month included plenty of testimony about rural America not being ready for EVs—cast into what many will hear as “fear, uncertainty, and doubt” category—one sector presented a more optimistic-sounding vision for getting more charging out to the places where the distances are vast: gas stations and convenience stores.

“The companies that currently provide transportation energy to motorists are well positioned to play an important role in decarbonizing the transportation sector through the sale of cleaner liquid fuels and alternative technologies, such as electricity,” said Trevor Walter, the vice president of petroleum supply management for Sheetz, testifying before Congress earlier this month on behalf of the company and the National Association of Convenience Stores (NACS). “We want to partner with Congress to help achieve environmental goals in a market-oriented and consumer-friendly manner.”


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Sheetz convenience store location with EV charging

To put it simply, fuel retailers say that with 150,000 locations in the U.S., they’re the remedy for range anxiety. They might also help provide charging in cities for apartment or condo dwellers, or to renters without garage access.

According to the testimony, 93% of Americans live within 10 minutes of a fuel-retailing location, many of which offer food service and restrooms. “These businesses are particularly important in rural areas of the country that might not have as many large businesses. In these locations, the convenience store not only serves as the place to get fuel but is often the grocery store and center of a community,” stated the NACS testimony.

The convenience-store industry pointed to the Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS), which began in 2005, as a template for how this might happen. That standard created market incentives for retailers to invest in what was needed to accommodate higher levels of biofuels—primarily corn ethanol.

“Fuel retailers have made investments in renewable fuels and existing alternative fuel incentives allow retailers to offer lower carbon fuels to consumers at a price at which they are willing to purchase them,” the testimony argued.

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Highway sign for electric-car fast-charging station at BP in Metrolina area of Charlotte, NC

Further, the convenience store operators are asking that federal money be awarded to private-sector operators who are putting their own capital at risk—not utility providers who are able to distribute extra costs over their captive ratepayers, or effectively avoid their own high demand charges.

And that leads to an important point that convenience stores have allied for: wholesale rates, and reform of demand charges, which can make little-used rural fast-chargers too expensive to be sustainable. Otherwise it sees utilities and the cost structure as imposing “large regressive costs on lower income Americans.”
“That would make the economics work not only for retailers but, more importantly, for consumers,” the testimony summed.

As we’ve outlined a number of times, convenience stores and gas stations aren’t always located in a place that makes sense for fast-charging—largely because of where they happen to be positioned with respect to the electrical grid. But with new solutions using battery buffers, fast-chargers can be placed almost anywhere.

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FreeWire Boost Charger at convenience store

The retailers’ testimony makes it clear that they’re not tied to gasoline and diesel: “While agnostic as to what types of fuel they sell to satisfy consumer demand, industry members do have a bias: they believe it is best for the American consumer and America’s industrial position in the world marketplace to have reasonably low and stable energy prices.”

To that, it’s hard to imagine a fuel with a more stable pricing structure than electricity—given a solution to demand charges. Based on recent comments from a top BP executive, the major multinational energy companies already see the light at the end of the tunnel for gas stations, with the claim that, on a margin basis, fast chargers are almost as profitable as gasoline pumps.

It’s often seen as a chicken-and-the-egg issue for how to get more EVs out to rural America. As federal data clearly points out, there’s a dearth of charging in the middle of the U.S., roughly in a diagonal from Montana and the Dakotas down to Mississippi and Alabama. And generally, the density of public chargers is related to the rate of EV ownership.

As Bloomberg pointed out in a recent piece, an upgraded, greener grid for rural America, something that was targeted as a major part of the infrastructure bill, would be a backbone not just for charging but for new businesses—and new jobs. Without it, the lack of access to charging in rural regions might just become another digital divide.

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Jack Colker Union 96 gas station in Beverly Hills, via oobject.com

And it wouldn’t be the first time the federal government has stepped in to build up the grid. By 1930, just 10% of U.S. farms were connected to the grid, and by the end of World War II, just 40% of U.S. farms had electricity. Just getting rural America connected to electricity in the first place took federal loans, administered by the Rural Electrification Administration established in 1936.

“Until consumers see alternatives like electricity at the outlets where they currently refuel, they will not adopt those alternatives in large numbers,” the NACS summed, without any additional backing.

The vast majority of EV drivers will enjoy rarely needing to charge anywhere but their driveway or garage. But beyond early adopters, and beyond the cities and suburbs, do they have a point?
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I would love to see more gas station/convenient stores add chargers. Even just added a single plug in an area of their parking lots that wasn't really being used would be perfect as a start! I feel as though I fit into the more rarer group of EV owners that I live in an apartment, and while I'm lucky enough I have close access to a place to plug in my car, not everyone does. We were lucky the way our apartment is set up that the 240 that runs our dryer is right next to the driveway so we could buy a longer charging cord to use at home.

In my town, there is a brand new gas station going in and as far as I can see, since it is close to finished, it doesn't look like they are installing any charging areas. The few stations in my town are almost always full during the day so thank goodness for the alert function on the charge point app. With 2 colleges in my town and 2 more in the next town over and more and more young adults are purchasing EVs, we have quickly outgrown the few stations we have. And none of them charge more than ~23KwH, in fact there is only 1 that is considered a DC and the rest all Lvl2...all 4 of them that work. Plus one tesla destination at a hotel. Where I live is very rural, and even have quickly outgrown the available chargers, with the closest actual quick DC charger a full hour away unless I want to go across the Canadian border which isn't ideal. If they could at least get it down to 1 fast DC charger every 25 miles or so, would be absolutely huge to areas like my own. With a town like mine with the 4 colleges within 20 miles of each other and the constant revolving residents in apartment buildings, our few chargers can't support the growing number of EVs. I would have to imagine that if gas stations, even just 1 or 2 of them, in my area dedicated space to at least one DC, it would help so much! If people could stop quickly instead of parking nearly all day at the lvl2, it would be far more sustainable. I would hope the cost wouldn't be out of this world expensive to charge at these small gas stations, but I am more than willing to pay if I need to top up quickly. I could only hope they also look into solar to offset some of the costs to the consumer.
 

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I’ve seen Wawas around here with Tesla superchargers and think there’s one with EVGo chargers in Central Florida. There’s also a Love’s in Orlando with EA, so it is happening, slowly, but it’s getting there.
 

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More Sheetz locations would be a great thing (more Wawas too). Love both of them whenever I start heading south.

I think EV fast charging will be a hug net win for these type of locations that offer some basic services along with fuel currently. The majority of their profit comes from store sales, not fuel, and folks waiting 20 to 40 minutes for a change will be much more likely to pick up a drink / snack while they wait.
 


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More Sheetz locations would be a great thing (more Wawas too). Love both of them whenever I start heading south.

I think EV fast charging will be a hug net win for these type of locations that offer some basic services along with fuel currently. The majority of their profit comes from store sales, not fuel, and folks waiting 20 to 40 minutes for a change will be much more likely to pick up a drink / snack while they wait.
Yeah it’s absolutely a no brainer. Buc-ees location in Sevierville, TN is going to have EV chargers, not sure what type though. They really need to add to existing locations.
 
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A few years ago, Royal Farms stores in the NE and Mid-Atlantic made a big push to add chargers. That way they sell a lot more of their famous fried chicken.
 

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I think this would be a very good thing @ChasingCoral. If the logistics issues in rural areas can be dealt with, these units could be a game changer for both locals and those visiting.

Out on this island, 3 of the 6 DCFC are in rural areas and are the ones that seem to get the most use. I’m all in favor of it.
 

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They need to be DCFC. Level 2 is farly useless and will become so clogged with either EVs and ICE vehicles soon they'll be useless.

Level 2's are fun when you can find one, but useless for interstate travel.
 

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Stores (whether convenience, Walmart, Target, grocery, etc) are naturally good spots for DCFC on road trip routes. Bathrooms and food are the main needs for killing the half hour. Small convenience stores usually have a small food outlet in them, while big stores like Walmarts usually share a parking lot with full-size restaurants. We tend to prefer those because there's usually more food options, and full shopping capability, but small convenience stores are good too.
 

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What ever happened with Musk opening up his superchargers to all EV's?
 

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