UAW vote to authorize strike

[Mach1E]

The 40% increase will mean they will get replaced with robots way sooner.
They are shooting themselves in the foot tbh.
An average of $32 per hour in Michigan is like making $50 per hour in California, that's impressive! Even in today's standards, look at fast food industry, people wanna make $25 as cashiers and flipping burgers well look at all those kiosks! Self checkout kiosks.

They are asking for even more than 40% when you consider that the list of demands includes “working a 4 day 32 hr week but getting paid for 5 days.”

I’ve never been brave enough to ask an employer for a 40% raise while at the same time working 20% less hours.

The way I always understood “negotiations,” there was something in it for both parties. This seems more like a hostage negotiation than a labor one!

The timing of this sucks too. Right after we are starting to bring manufacturing jobs back to the US.

I’m shocked the car manufacturers don’t just build the plants in states without unions. Probably why BMW builds in the middle of South Carolina.

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[thekat03]

The 40% increase will mean they will get replaced with robots way sooner.
They are shooting themselves in the foot tbh.
An average of $32 per hour in Michigan is like making $50 per hour in California, that's impressive! Even in today's standards, look at fast food industry, people wanna make $25 as cashiers and flipping burgers well look at all those kiosks! Self checkout kiosks.

Oh, they're going to get replaced. Fortunately, there will then be need for more robot operators and repair staff. Technology has always replaced some jobs, but created more. The widening gap in incomes over the past 40 or so years is awful, so I can't blame them for pushing back now.

 

[Billyk24]

UAW strike with three different auto companies could also "drain" the Union strike funds a lot faster. I wonder if there is a secret or pending/promised sweetheart deal with the UAW and a group of Politicians to restock their bank account in the future?

 

[jeffvick2005]

We had a similar, but much less costly, contract renewal between our power company and the line workers union. Significant raises were given and prices are going up for customers.
The UAW needs to be careful because if labor costs go too high, 1) auto makers will locate the work elsewhere and/or 2) demand will drop due to high car prices and workers will be laid off or replaced by technology. We'd all like raises that kept up with inflation the last couple years, pensions and 32 hour work weeks, but it just isn't happening.
I get that the UAW is starting with some pretty ridiculous asks, but it better compromise or prepare for a short-lived existence.

 

[moparguy]

They are asking for even more than 40% when you consider that the list of demands includes “working a 4 day 32 hr week but getting paid for 5 days.”

I’ve never been brave enough to ask an employer for a 40% raise while at the same time working 20% less hours.

The way I always understood “negotiations,” there was something in it for both parties. This seems more like a hostage negotiation than a labor one!

The timing of this sucks too. Right after we are starting to bring manufacturing jobs back to the US.

I’m shocked the car manufacturers don’t just build the plants in states without unions. Probably why BMW builds in the middle of South Carolina.

I feel like this is not also the full picture, Ford for example is heavily discounting their cars right now, the strike is not bad for them, they can deplete the inventory, some models will go back up above msrp, however it could be a coincidence, the unions these days just add burden to companies, a union employee outcome less than a non union employees, I personally work and worked with union workers in the IT sector, when they are sitting at the table, they are the lowest people with knowledge on that table, 0 incentive to grow their information, they are outdated, do things their way, 1990's way ( because of seniority they have been there for that long ), Information Technology has developed by ages since then, I refused few union jobs because of that, I refuse to let person with outdated information and knowledge dictates to me how I should be manage my network/security just because he has 25 years of outdated experience/union seniority on his belt and I just started the union ladder.

So similar prospective can be applied in the automotive field, I mean look at them, they are all pissed CEOs make money, we all make money, we bring different skills and values to the table, when a CEO is responsible for 20 billion in profits and successfully manage an army of 100k-500k employees around the globe, their salary should reflect that liability, their value to the overall picture is way more than Jimmy's value who put parts together.

It's hard to avoid union workers because unions always try hard, there is monetary incentives, political interests and all the above.

 

[moparguy]

UAW strike with three different auto companies could also "drain" the Union strike funds a lot faster. I wonder if there is a secret or pending/promised sweetheart deal with the UAW and a group of Politicians to restock their bank account in the future?

I also feel like this may not be the full picture.

 

[Mach1E]

I also feel like this may not be the full picture.

From what I read they were only having specific people from specific plants strike as to maximize the impact, but with the fewest people possible to make the funds last.

 

[ArthurDOB]

They are asking for even more than 40% when you consider that the list of demands includes “working a 4 day 32 hr week but getting paid for 5 days.”

I’ve never been brave enough to ask an employer for a 40% raise while at the same time working 20% less hours.

The way I always understood “negotiations,” there was something in it for both parties. This seems more like a hostage negotiation than a labor one!

The timing of this sucks too. Right after we are starting to bring manufacturing jobs back to the US.

I’m shocked the car manufacturers don’t just build the plants in states without unions. Probably why BMW builds in the middle of South Carolina.

That's exactly why they built there, and their workers are paid low wages by comparison.

 

[ArthurDOB]

UAW strike with three different auto companies could also "drain" the Union strike funds a lot faster. I wonder if there is a secret or pending/promised sweetheart deal with the UAW and a group of Politicians to restock their bank account in the future?

 

[Ghost Ryder]

UAW strike with three different auto companies could also "drain" the Union strike funds a lot faster. I wonder if there is a secret or pending/promised sweetheart deal with the UAW and a group of Politicians to restock their bank account in the future?

They always negotiate back pay once the strike is settled.

 

[BalsaDust]

To me unions are a decendant of Organized Crime, just think about it.
An employee in a Union is forced to pay dues for the benefit of being "Protected" by the union. The union then hold the employer hostage when the workers go on strike for more pay so that they can collect even more money from the union members.
Its a vicious cycle!
I am all for the workers getting their fare pay for a days work but when the union leader claims the CEO's are making millions off the back of their employees, they fail to see what those CEO's do to make that salary. I am not defending the fact they get paid well, if I was in their place I would demand the same pay.

Just my two cents and my apologies to any UAW workers who miscontrue my thoughts,

Tony

 

[Ghost Ryder]

To me unions are a decendant of Organized Crime, just think about it.
An employee in a Union is forced to pay dues for the benefit of being "Protected" by the union. The union then hold the employer hostage when the workers go on strike for more pay so that they can collect even more money from the union members.
Its a vicious cycle!
I am all for the workers getting their fare pay for a days work but when the union leader claims the CEO's are making millions off the back of their employees, they fail to see what those CEO's do to make that salary. I am not defending the fact they get paid well, if I was in their place I would demand the same pay.

Just my two cents and my apologies to any UAW workers who miscontrue my thoughts,

Tony

Unions and organize crime was one and the same not too long ago.

That reminds me, did they ever find out where they buried Jimmy?

 

[BalsaDust]

Unions and organize crime was one and the same not too long ago.

That reminds me, did they ever find out where they buried Jimmy?

Buried under the 50yard line at Meadowlands Stadium...or so I've heard

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