Window stickers mile range vs displayed miles after charging

[Pen22]

So I bought the Mach E that had a range of 320 miles. It was advertised on Ford.com and is also on the window sticker. So I was shocked when a 100% charge is only around 264 miles.

Do the take into consideration regenerative breaking or something? I could understand a 10% difference but considering 264 is closer to the other 260 mi window stickers, it seems concerning.
Thanks.

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[ReverendPete]

This is maybe the most often posted about topic in this forum (especially in the winter). People have come to nickname the anticipated mileage display the GOM (Guess-o-meter). The GOM takes a lot of things into account, including the weather, and your driving habits.

Batteries are less efficient in the cold. And the more you put your foot down (and the harder you brake, which gets into using the standard brakes instead of energy regeneration), the lower the miles per kilowatt-hour you will get. And on top of that, your climate usage will use up more battery in the winter, as well.

You can reset your driving history using the center screen, and you'll see it pop back up to what it says on the window sticker, but really, instead of paying attention to the GOM as anything other than "how full your tank is", if you pay attention to the m/kwh numbers, you'll get a better feeling for how your car is performing.

 

[RickMachE]

So I bought the Mach E that had a range of 320 miles. It was advertised on Ford.com and is also on the window sticker. So I was shocked when a 100% charge is only around 264 miles.

Do the take into consideration regenerative breaking or something? I could understand a 10% difference but considering 264 is closer to the other 260 mi window stickers, it seems concerning.
Thanks.

braking...

The EPA number on the window sticker is just like the EPA number on the gas vehicle's window sticker that you had prior... Not achievable, unless you're in an EPA lab, driving the speeds they test at.

In summer, expect about 270 miles of range, IF YOU WENT TO ZERO (which you won't), and if you drive around 70mph. Drive 85mph and that number drops.

In winter, that range drops. Many get around 200 miles, you may do a bit better in Georgia.

On a trip, you'll go down to 10 to 20%, then you charge back to 80%, and head to the next charger. In other words, you're using at best 70% of your battery, probably 60% until you get comfortable.

60% x 270 = 162 miles between charging stops. 70% = 189 miles.

 

[tbrumleve]

First car, eh? First you need to know how they calculate range for vehicles:

https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/fuel-economy-and-ev-range-testing

You don’t get the estimated range because you aren’t driving a test or simulation. Speed, acceleration, braking, weather, elevation change, temperature, all factors in how many miles you’ll travel before needing to fill up or charge.

This is nothing new. You may get exactly the range, lower, or higher, depending on what you’re doing.

 

[Blue highway]

Hi Todd Welcome to the forum. In addition to what is posted above, it may be helpful to know that EVs get longer range in city driving than they do on the highway... due to lower speeds and frequent regen... just the opposite of gas cars.

soooo... if you drive over ~60mph, the range goes down. And if it is below ~ room temperature outside, the range goes down. But if you drive around ATL in the summer when it is warm, (and the average speed is ~35mph) the GOM range will likely show more than the EPA range when fully charged.

 

[AliRafiee]

In my gas car, I got more miles when I filled up chevron I got more miles than when I filled up at Exxon.
Maybe you’re using bad electricity.

 

[IgorKl]

Let me put some real life numbers for SF Bay Area weather. Today I was driving 45-50 mph in traffic on flat area, my consumption was 3.9-4 miles per kW. it would put my car to 360 miles range. (60F outside temperature, no ac or heat, just passenger seat heat).

When I'm driving about 80-85 mph on similar flat road I usually see about 2.4 it gets me to 220-230 miles range.
90 -100 mph will put me 1.6-1.9 miles per KW - kills the range significantly.

hope it would give you more perspective.

I live in the hilly area, so my wife 1 month old ext rwd ('r19' wheels) shows 90%-243 miles. mine '22 CR1 awd (r18' wheels, 98K miles, battery degradation about 7.5%) 88% - 228 miles

 

[Jerrytball]

In my gas car, I got more miles when I filled up chevron I got more miles than when I filled up at Exxon.
Maybe you’re using bad electricity.

Ali that’s no lie what you’re saying. I used to hate because I could not fill up at a Texaco or a Chevron cause they use that special additive and their gas whatever the Techron? Anyways, once I got in my case too at least Augusta Georgia after that, I was getting 50 more miles out of a tank of gas using Chevron. It’s not a coincidence.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

So I bought the Mach E that had a range of 320 miles. It was advertised on Ford.com and is also on the window sticker. So I was shocked when a 100% charge is only around 264 miles.

Do the take into consideration regenerative breaking or something? I could understand a 10% difference but considering 264 is closer to the other 260 mi window stickers, it seems concerning.
Thanks.

Do you recall the internet saying “YMMV?” Your mileage may vary quite literally came about decades ago because of the difference between EPA mileage ratings and real world results. It’s worse with EVs.

 

[Jerrytball]

Do you recall the internet saying “YMMV?” Your mileage may vary quite literally cane about decades ago because of the difference between EPA mileage ratings and real world results. It’s worse with EVs.

Would I expect the figure at the bottom of this paragraph? No. But after reading the explanation and doing a test drive all I can say is as I drove the mileage increased on the imaginary GOM that’s all I’m saying I’m not gonna argue about it.
6th-generation eDrive technology, featuring high-efficiency Silicon Carbide (SiC) inverters, improved energy density batteries, and advanced thermal management. These, combined with superior aerodynamics and integrated drivetrain systems, offer up to 400+ miles of range.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

Would I expect the figure at the bottom of this paragraph? No. But after reading the explanation and doing a test drive all I can say is as I drove the mileage increased on the imaginary GOM that’s all I’m saying I’m not gonna argue about it.
6th-generation eDrive technology, featuring high-efficiency Silicon Carbide (SiC) inverters, improved energy density batteries, and advanced thermal management. These, combined with superior aerodynamics and integrated drivetrain systems, offer up to 400+ miles of range.

1. So, if it’s that important to you for any reason whatsoever, go buy a car that has all of that in a proper package. The Air Grand Touring has an EAP range of up to 512 miles iirc. They’ll sell you one. Happily too.
2. I wasn’t actually responding to your post.

 

[Jerrytball]

1. So, if it’s that important to you for any reason whatsoever, go buy a car that has all of that in a proper package. The Air Grand Touring has an EAP range of up to 512 miles iirc. They’ll sell you one. Happily too.
2. I wasn’t actually responding to your post.

I’ll make it simpler. It’s just so happens to advertise that much if I got 150 miles out of a full charge that’s enough for me in my life right now, but if it comes with it with the look, I’m looking for and it’s one of those that because of a certain CEO it won’t get keyed or vandalized that’s fine but I’m not spending over $100,000 just for something that’s got stuff in it that looks cool or appeals to me like I said if it happens to come with it so be it I’m just stating because past experience if you say well it’s gonna get over 300 miles to a charge you’ll get the good luck with that so I’m not saying it’s going to achieve. I’m just saying what they are stating. I don’t expect anything after owning an electric vehicle already.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

I’ll make it simpler. It’s just so happens to advertise that much if I got 150 miles out of a full charge that’s enough for me in my life right now, but if it comes with it with the look, I’m looking for and it’s one of those that because of a certain CEO it won’t get keyed or vandalized that’s fine but I’m not spending over $100,000 just for something that’s got stuff in it that looks cool or appeals to me like I said if it happens to come with it so be it I’m just stating because past experience if you say well it’s gonna get over 300 miles to a charge you’ll get the good luck with that so I’m not saying it’s going to achieve. I’m just saying what they are stating. I don’t expect anything after owning an electric vehicle already.

As I said, my initial post wasn’t neither directed at you nor did it quote your earlier post. It was for the op who was having issues related to EPA range vs actual range. Whatever issues you have with your Mach-e’s range, or lack thereof, are of no concern of mine, they’re unique to you just as mine are unique to me.

Cars are a compromise. There is no ideal configuration and no one size fits all solution, not even for custom made super cars. High range? Big, heavy, and very expensive battery. Zero emissions? Supply chain issues and costs. Affordable? Trade off range and furnishings. Traditional sporty styling? Higher coefficient of drag. It goes on and on. It’s actually a wonder that car manufacturers get things right as often as they do.

 

[CameraCarl]

So I bought the Mach E that had a range of 320 miles. It was advertised on Ford.com and is also on the window sticker. So I was shocked when a 100% charge is only around 264 miles.

Do the take into consideration regenerative breaking or something? I could understand a 10% difference but considering 264 is closer to the other 260 mi window stickers, it seems concerning.
Thanks.

And how cold was it in Georgia yesterday? Neither battery EVs (especially) nor gasoline cars can be expected to get the EPA estimated mileage/fuel economy in the cold winter weather.

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