Why the Mustang Mach E is better than the Tesla Model Y

[trutolife27]

I said it once I will say it again. The Mache AWD EXT range 270 vs the Model Y long range of 326 without aero wheels will not be 56 miles of range difference like posted.

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[shutterbug]

Doesn't that put kibosh on the whole fully autonomous cars concept?

 

[jksu]

why can’t the epa provide city, highway
and combined range ratings for EVs?

 

[DBC]

why can’t the epa provide city, highway
and combined range ratings for EVs?

Like it does?

 

[shutterbug]

If they require a driver, they aren't really autonomous.

 

[dbsb3233]

If they require a driver, they aren't really autonomous.

Nor should they be designed that way IMO. Not most anyway. FSD should be targeted mostly towards shuttle pods (robotaxis) and freight, not personal cars. Doesn't really make much sense for personal cars. Those are people that want to drive. People that don't want to drive will summon a robotaxi and save a fortune. (When they get here.)

 

[agoldman]

Not sure if the MME will have this problem, but just now was driving home in the Model Y with autopilot engaged. It was snowing/raining out. I then get an alert telling me to take over immediately. Then the screen said the radar sensors were covered. Sure enough when I got home, I looked at the front of the car and there was snow/sleet covering the entire front. Oh well, I probably should have been at the wheel anyway.

all cars have that problem unless they would have heaters on the sensor/camera spots.

 

[Mirak]

There's a tendency for people to talk in extremes about autonomous driving, as if all that matters is whether a car can fully drive itself. For me it's about finding a level that's comfortable, reasonably safe, and reasonably attainable in the near term.

I expect that fully-autonomous driving is still a few decades away. It will probably require cars to not just "see" with cameras, lidar, etc. but actually talk to each other and the roads - one giant interconnected network.

In the near term (hopefully sometime during my MME ownership), my benchmark is being able to plug in a destination and have my car take over the highway driving, on-ramp to off-ramp, maintaining speed, distance, lane, and executing lane changes as appropriate in a hands-free manner. Tesla's a lot closer to meeting this benchmark, but it requires an unacceptable sacrifice for me (owning an ugly Tesla + an extra 10 Gs).

Ford's plan to monitor driver alertness is an acceptable tradeoff for the level of automation I'm looking for (hey, we'd all want it for other cars on the road) as long as it isn't too sensitive. I'm curious (I'm sure we all are) to know how sensitive the MME's driver alertness monitoring will be. What counts as a "strike"? Breaking eye contact for 2 seconds? 5? 10? More than X times in X time period? What kind of alert happens when you get a strike? How many strikes do you get before the system throttles down? I think this is all totally unknown at this point.

Also, important to note that Ford's driver monitoring will not, at least initially, provide me with my desired level of highway automation. Without that greater level of highway automation, adding the driver monitoring could be a bigger nuisance than resting a hand on the bottom of the steering wheel.

 

[agoldman]

On my Volvo, I enjoy the semi self driving feature as simply an enhanced power steering and braking. It adds a safety factor for wandering attention span, and just makes steering the car on the highway easier and safer in general. But you have to pay attention. When the system disengages it can be unruly for a second. And it's slowing down when sensing stopped traffic ahead is always a fun exercise in "is it going to stop or crash". It tends to be very "last minute", shich can be unnerving, almost aggressive driver style.. Anyway, I see it as a driving aid, not a driving robot.

 

[trutolife27]

 

[Mirak]

Damn that sucks. Why did he say the "tesla's not responsible for [the hood latch] since I did the whole hand show[?] thing"? I don't speak Tesla - what's that mean?

 

[jhalkias]

Damn that sucks. Why did he say the "tesla's not responsible for [the hood latch] since I did the whole hand show[?] thing"? I don't speak Tesla - what's that mean?

I think this from his channel

 

[efisher]

Doesn't that put kibosh on the whole fully autonomous cars concept?

No, just limits the conditions where they can drive autonomously.

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