I test drove a ID.4 today (my comparison vs Mach-E)

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Definitely. I would love the Mach-E's body and interior on the ID.4's chassis, but with the ID.4's gearshift. That gearshift is so much better than the rotary, I hope Ford benchmarks it for the Mach-E facelift.

The Mach-E is easier on the eyes, but the ID4 is easier on the wallet, haha.

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[Deleted member 2014]

I LOVE the ID.4's window switches. Probably one of the best auto innovations in recent memory.

The 1-PD and Auto Hold is a bit weird. I get why they didn't do 1-PD (because they're trying to make it feel ICE-esque) but the European cars have Auto Hold if I recall, so it's stupid the US ones wouldn't.

I love the ID.4's driver display, better than Mach-E's because it's mounted to the steering column and therefore can't ever be rim blocked. I think this is probably my bias that my screen buzzes, so the silence of the ID.4's screens were paradise. I also like the all-black background on the ID.4's screens, very high contrast, super easy to read. And it has a power meter! Like every non-Mach-E EV on the market!

I also much prefer the ID.4's shifter design and location to the absolute trash that is the rotary dial on our cars. Whoever thought they could put a shifter that has no detent to stop it from spinning into park needs to be fired. I have no doubt that this car will not make it through my ownership with that park pawl intact the number of times "D to R" became "D to P" and I was reminded very aggressively that the vehicle does, in fact, have a park pawl as I rocked back and forth off it.

Otherwise yeah, it's a value product. Looks cheaper, feels cheaper inside, but *is* cheaper.

Rides better though. That's frustrating to me.

I really don't know what kind of Mach E you own. I had to test drive one for about a hole day (mine is on a ship soon hopefully)and watched tons of reviews. Never heard anyone mention that the shifter knob rotates itself back into park while driving. And I did not experience that myself. I think you just like complaining. You're really the first person on that forum nearly complaining about every aspect of that car. Honestly I think you're just trolling us.
There are so many things you're complaining about, which you could have noticed by just taking a seat in the car (display position, shifting knob etc.)

About the ID4: That thing to me looks pretty nice from outside but inside it is cheap. Specially for a German car. It's cheaper than the Mach E and to me this is noticeable everywhere (interior, software etc.) It drives pretty good and has nice cargo space. Personally I hate the gear shifter in the ID3 and ID4. Cause it just looks like crap. You can't compare the Mach E interior to ID4's at all. The Hyundai Kona feels more premium than the ID4 (My opinion)

 

[Jimrpa]

I don’t understand why everyone is hating on the rotary shifter so much? Ford has had these for years. They quickly become second nature and you don’t notice them after a while. And I have no idea how people are having them randomly spin from drive to reverse and park? You realize these things are electronic, right? If the car is moving at speed, I’m sure (although I’ve never tried) you can twirl the dial to you heart’s content and it’s not going to slam you into reverse ?

 

[SteelMach]

I really don't know what kind of Mach E you own. I had to test drive one for about a hole day (mine is on a ship soon hopefully)and watched tons of reviews. Never heard anyone mention that the shifter knob rotates itself back into park while driving. And I did not experience that myself. I think you just like complaining. You're really the first person on that forum nearly complaining about every aspect of that car. Honestly I think you're just trolling us.
There are so many things you're complaining about, which you could have noticed by just taking a seat in the car (display position, shifting knob etc.)

About the ID4: That thing to me looks pretty nice from outside but inside it is cheap. Specially for a German car. It's cheaper than the Mach E and to me this is noticeable everywhere (interior, software etc.) It drives pretty good and has nice cargo space. Personally I hate the gear shifter in the ID3 and ID4. Cause it just looks like crap. You can't compare the Mach E interior to ID4's at all. The Hyundai Kona feels more premium than the ID4 (My opinion)

I never said it randomly rotates. I said it has no detent between R and P, so you can't tell by feel whether you're gonna get R or P, and I've had it get P when backing into a parking spot, and bounced the car off the park pawl. On multiple occasions. VW's shifter is so much better.

I'm glad we're at the point where anything people don't like is trolling. Please.

 

[fayt349]

I never said it randomly rotates. I said it has no detent between R and P, so you can't tell by feel whether you're gonna get R or P, and I've had it get P when backing into a parking spot, and bounced the car off the park pawl. On multiple occasions. VW's shifter is so much better.

I'm glad we're at the point where anything people don't like is trolling. Please.

The screen right in front of your eyes tell you what gear you're in. It's there for a reason. Plus since it's there, you don't have to look away from the road when looking at the gear either.

 

[SteelMach]

The screen right in front of your eyes tell you what gear you're in. It's there for a reason. Plus since it's there, you don't have to look away from the road when looking at the gear either.

But since there is no resistance between R and P you can easily overshoot, as I have, and then you bounce off the park pawl. Very irritating. I'd rather they used the "L" button in the middle for Park instead. R-N-D rotate, push for P.

 

[RyZt]

I never said it randomly rotates. I said it has no detent between R and P, so you can't tell by feel whether you're gonna get R or P, and I've had it get P when backing into a parking spot, and bounced the car off the park pawl. On multiple occasions. VW's shifter is so much better.

On my Mach E, I'm pretty sure there is vibration (or maybe some other sort of haptic feedback) when I rotate the shifter. Yes, you have to count 2 (not 3), when going from D to R. That seemed natural to me. Is your complaint primarily about the the having-to-count part?

 

[SteelMach]

On my Mach E, I'm pretty sure there is vibration (or maybe some other sort of haptic feedback) when I rotate the shifter. Yes, you have to count 2 (not 3), when going from D to R. That seemed natural to me. Is your complaint primarily about the the having-to-count part?

Yeah, there's a lag between when I turn the knob and when the display on the screen reflects the change, I can "click" it a lot faster than it updates on the PRNDL letters on screen, plus the clicks are so light it's hard to tell if you're going to do one click or three. The fact that the "click" between "R" and "P" is the same weighted "click" as between "D" and "N" is what I was saying seems odd. I'm not saying it's a world-ending catastrophe or anything, just that I've bounced the car off the park pawl on multiple occasions, and I'd prefer to not do that. But I don't want to be looking down at the floor (or the screen) while maneuvering in a parking garage. All I was saying was that the VW shifter is ideal because it's so simple, so intuitive, in an easier to reach location, and honestly looks better too.

 

[SteelMach]

I don’t understand why everyone is hating on the rotary shifter so much? Ford has had these for years. They quickly become second nature and you don’t notice them after a while. And I have no idea how people are having them randomly spin from drive to reverse and park? You realize these things are electronic, right? If the car is moving at speed, I’m sure (although I’ve never tried) you can twirl the dial to you heart’s content and it’s not going to slam you into reverse ?

I'll tell you, my manual Mustang did not have a rotary shifter. Mach-E is the first time I've encountered it.

Never said it randomly spun. I said it treats "R" to "P" counterclockwise as the same resistance as "N" to "R" and the refresh rate of the screen is so slow that I've been spinning 1 too many clicks and dropping it into "P" at ~2 mph instead of "R" and that's very uncomfortable to feel the car slam to a stop and bounce off the park pawl. VW's shifter design removes that risk. That's all I was saying.

 

[buffasnow]

I really don't know what kind of Mach E you own. I had to test drive one for about a hole day (mine is on a ship soon hopefully)and watched tons of reviews. Never heard anyone mention that the shifter knob rotates itself back into park while driving. And I did not experience that myself. I think you just like complaining. You're really the first person on that forum nearly complaining about every aspect of that car. Honestly I think you're just trolling us.
There are so many things you're complaining about, which you could have noticed by just taking a seat in the car (display position, shifting knob etc.)

Please, personal attacks are not helpful. By all means ask questions, state your opinions and provide personal experiences, but the atmosphere here is quickly poisoned when things get personal. The ignore function is also available if you feel that strongly about what a particular member is saying.

Thanks!

 

[Gino_A]

I test drove a 1st Edition ID.4 last week. Compared to my Premium RWD ER I thought the ID.4 had noticeably less power but it had a softer ride. I also think the hands-free driving worked better than my MME. It kept the car in its lane and didn't nag you to put your hands on the steering wheel. I also like the ability to easily flip regen on and off without looking at a touch screen. Overall I like the MME better but the ID.4 may be a better value.

 

[Deleted member 2014]

Please, personal attacks are not helpful. By all means ask questions, state your opinions and provide personal experiences, but the atmosphere here is quickly poisoned when things get personal. The ignore function is also available if you feel that strongly about what a particular member is saying.

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Didn´t mean to attack anybody. My apologies for giving you guys that impression. I have just a different point of view. Maybe I expressed that a bit too harsh.
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[Jimrpa]

I'll tell you, my manual Mustang did not have a rotary shifter. Mach-E is the first time I've encountered it.

Never said it randomly spun. I said it treats "R" to "P" counterclockwise as the same resistance as "N" to "R" and the refresh rate of the screen is so slow that I've been spinning 1 too many clicks and dropping it into "P" at ~2 mph instead of "R" and that's very uncomfortable to feel the car slam to a stop and bounce off the park pawl. VW's shifter design removes that risk. That's all I was saying.

Ok. I don’t have my Mustang Mach E yet, although I’ve test-driven them. I’ve driven a lot of other Ford’s with the rotary shifter. In the Mustang Mach E, I didn’t notice anything unusual or difficult about turning the knob from P to R. I will admit I wasn’t paying attention to the haptics. I also don’t recall the haptics in the other Ford’s. I thought the dial made a slight click as you rotated it, but those clicks weren’t correlated with specific gears. They just keep you from sliding your hand on the side of the shifter quickly and causing it to spin wildly. Again, I could be completely mistaken and will have to check when I get my car (hopefully Friday).
I do see your point and based on that description, it would be annoying behavior. I’m anxious to see if I can reproduce it now.

 

[SteelMach]

Ok. I don’t have my Mustang Mach E yet, although I’ve test-driven them. I’ve driven a lot of other Ford’s with the rotary shifter. In the Mustang Mach E, I didn’t notice anything unusual or difficult about turning the knob from P to R. I will admit I wasn’t paying attention to the haptics. I also don’t recall the haptics in the other Ford’s. I thought the dial made a slight click as you rotated it, but those clicks weren’t correlated with specific gears. They just keep you from sliding your hand on the side of the shifter quickly and causing it to spin wildly. Again, I could be completely mistaken and will have to check when I get my car (hopefully Friday).
I do see your point and based on that description, it would be annoying behavior. I’m anxious to see if I can reproduce it now.

It spins like the volume knob on the screen, all "clicks" are the same in either direction, and it'll spin forever left or right. I was just saying it felt like going from "R" to "P" should have been a button press, or at least a much heavier click you have to push harder to overcome.

 

[balthisar]

It's only a minor issue, but my issue with the PRNDL switch is that it doesn't stop at either end, meaning I have to actually look at it. The rotary switch on my previous Ford products always stopped. Interestingly, it was electrically controlled; the knob itself would free-spin like the MME's when power was off, but I could blindly operate them just on feel.

For example, to get into R, quickly rotate anticlockwise until it stops, then one click clockwise. Done. I suppose it's only a matter of training to get myself to rotate "a lot," then one click clockwise, but it was reassuring to know that "hard stop" means I'm really there, and "a lot" is kind of subjective.

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