Greedy Ford Dealers are squandering Ford's $7500 tax credit advantage over Tesla

[dbsb3233]

It's a shitty business practice that increases consumer hatred for car dealerships.

If buyers weren't buying vehicles for UNDER MSRP, that might be a more valid critique. But they do. If fact, that's more the norm than the exception.

If it's ok to work in that direction, it's ok to work in the other too.

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[BMT1071]

It won't likely cost any Mach-E sales, as they're a hot commodity and sell almost immediately. That's why some are able to sell them at a higher price, just like how if they weren't selling well, they'd be stuck selling below MSRP. Works both ways.

I'm curious what the actual time on the lot is for MMEs. It would be interesting to see how frequently the dealers reduce or eliminate the ADM in order to close the deal.

 

[dbsb3233]

Agenda? WTF does that mean? I had no agenda... only stating fact. Ford dealers are notorious for putting markups on their cars, the gt350, gt500, raptor, etc... It is greed, and I'm calling them out on it. I like FORD... I dislike greed.

That would mean any buyer getting a deal below MSRP is being greedy too.

 

[dbsb3233]

I'm curious what the actual time on the lot is for MMEs. It would be interesting to see how frequently the dealers reduce or eliminate the ADM in order to close the deal.

4 days turnaround, reportedly. But I assume that's in total. And since the vast majority of MME sales right now are preorders where the customer simply picks it up a day or two after arrival, we don't really know how long the canceled orders sit on the lot before selling. Likely pretty fast though, especially if no ADM.

 

[timbop]

Agenda? WTF does that mean? I had no agenda... only stating fact. Ford dealers are notorious for putting markups on their cars, the gt350, gt500, raptor, etc... It is greed, and I'm calling them out on it. I like FORD... I dislike greed.

yeah, ok. You already ordered a Model Y but you just wanted to send a PSA

 

[Ginger]

I have located several Mach E vehicles available for sale in the Carolinas and Virginia. The catch is that each one of them have a $5,000 "Market Adjustment Fee" tacked on to the sticker. The tax credit was one of the deciding factors when I decided to purchase the Ford versus the Tesla. I just can't justify the purchase at $5k over msrp... Sorry Ford, it looks like your greedy dealer network will cost you at least 1 Mach E sale this quarter.

Yes, I'm on the fence too. Ford is allowing these dealerships to add ADM >$5K. I'm finding my local dealership is not even interested in placing my order and just flat out lied when I asked if they accept Plan X. The internet sales manager said "there are no discounts with the Mach E." He was supposed to call me back to start the orderinf process, that was 5 days ago-not a word.
I am also feeling nervous about all the complaints about the cluster screen going black, cracked glass roofs, wonky phone app...Evidently Ford is denying the cracked roofs, and the dealerships have no idea how to fix things. I thought they received training...
I love the car, but I don't want to haggle with dealers or wait weeks for repairs.

 

[macchiaz-o]

Yes, I'm on the fence too. Ford is allowing these dealerships to add ADM >$5K. I'm finding my local dealership is not even interested in placing my order and just flat out lied when I asked if they accept Plan X. The internet sales manager said "there are no discounts with the Mach E." He was supposed to call me back to start the orderinf process, that was 5 days ago-not a word.
I am also feeling nervous about all the complaints about the cluster screen going black, cracked glass roofs, wonky phone app...Evidently Ford is denying the cracked roofs, and the dealerships have no idea how to fix things. I thought they received training...
I love the car, but I don't want to haggle with dealers or wait weeks for repairs.

Ford also allows dealerships to discount prices below MSRP. Point being, you have lots of options, check all the dealers you're willing to travel to. Choose one that accepts x-plan if you qualify for that.

I didn't feel like I had to haggle with dealers at all. I picked one, they accepted x-plan and agreed to no add-ons like tint etc and we were perfectly good to go. Non issue. You've encountered a dealer who isn't offering the deal you like. No problem -- try the next one.

I don't get the sense that there have been more than a handful of complaints about cracked roofs or inoperative instrument clusters. Yes, I've seen the posts about it here. But it's a small number of people and they're on an internet forum where people like to bring up problems of any kind.

 

[trutolife27]

Agenda? WTF does that mean? I had no agenda... only stating fact. Ford dealers are notorious for putting markups on their cars, the gt350, gt500, raptor, etc... It is greed, and I'm calling them out on it. I like FORD... I dislike greed.

Your statement should read, ALL Dealers from each brand are greedy and have marked up certain vehicles one time or another. There is not one that hasn't.

Really just about anything you buy is like that. Supply and demand. Computer components cost almost double pre-covid if you can find them. A bagger for my Ego zero turn is already marked up way over msrp and it's not even out yet. Rifles handguns lol, yeah sometimes major markup.

I'm not saying any of it's right. But it's been like this since the dawn of time. Jim bob was giving one woman's father 20 head of cattle for a certain woman but the hotter nice one might have cost 40 head of cattle.

MSRP? manufacturers "suggested" not has to be or else" suggested" retail price.

If you wanted a mache and mad now. Should have ordered it front the start.

I remember last year trying to find school supplies with covid. Everything was double or triple price.

This is like the 100 thread about dealer and msrp. If you don't like it order. Pull your big boy pants up. Call around find a different dealer Sometimes things in life are chess and not checkers.

 

[Mirak]

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[Mirak]

The difference between Ford and Tesla is that if you want a new MME now, you can buy one. The dealer may demand greater than MSRP because inventory for immediate purchase is tight. And then you can check with other dealerships to find a MME and price more to your liking.

I don’t consider any of this a bad thing. Dealers engage in shady practices but this isn’t it.

 

[timbop]

Yes, I'm on the fence too. Ford is allowing these dealerships to add ADM >$5K. I'm finding my local dealership is not even interested in placing my order and just flat out lied when I asked if they accept Plan X. The internet sales manager said "there are no discounts with the Mach E." He was supposed to call me back to start the orderinf process, that was 5 days ago-not a word.
I am also feeling nervous about all the complaints about the cluster screen going black, cracked glass roofs, wonky phone app...Evidently Ford is denying the cracked roofs, and the dealerships have no idea how to fix things. I thought they received training...
I love the car, but I don't want to haggle with dealers or wait weeks for repairs.

You are also de-emphasizing the vast majority that haven't had an issue with their car or their dealer. Also, there are many more examples of Ford going out of their way to send technicians and parts to dealerships to fix the problems people are having. The notion that Tesla's service model is a panacea is patently false, as searching on the internet will tell you. There is one person on here frustrated with waiting weeks without their car while waiting to get it fixed; you'll find many Tesla owners in the same circumstance. You'll also find the phrase "it's within spec" come up quite frequently.

Regardless, you can absolutely find a dealer that will accept the x-plan and your order. Unfortunately you'll probably have to accept the choice between overpaying and waiting in order to pay less than list with the X-plan.

Those complaining about paying markup want to walk into a dealership today and buy a hot commodity with extremely limited stock for list price or lower - that's not generally how a free market works. If one is opposed to the law of supply and demand then one needs to simply order and wait 6 to 8 months to get a car.

As for Ford doing nothing, see: https://www.macheforum.com/site/thr...ne-know-if-you-see-dealer-adm-on-mach-e.4654/

 

[Mirak]

Regardless, you can absolutely find a dealer that will accept the x-plan and your order. Unfortunately you'll have to accept the choice between waiting and paying less than list with the X-plan.

There are a few of us who picked up a canceled order at xplan pricing. Gotta work them phones!!

 

[ARK]

In fact, Car & Driver is reporting a Cox Automotive study that 40% of new car buyers would be OK with paying up to 12% over MSRP given the present circumstances. C&D interprets that result as meaning that new car buyers are willing to pay $5,000 over MSRP because the average new car transaction price is $42,000.

This nugget was interesting:

"Older shoppers—and specifically older male shoppers—[are] less willing to pay over sticker. These older buyers are a cohort we call 'Straight Shooters,' and they are experienced vehicle buyers, with plenty of good deals in their past. Paying above sticker is an unnatural act for this group."

 

[malba2366]

It is not just the Mach E...dealers are charging over MSRP on lots of cars right now due to a supply imbalance. The best course of action is to wait if you can, nothing to really complain about unless you ordered the car expecting MSRP and the dealer added on a markup after the fact.

 

[ab13]

I see Costco Auto buying has the Mach E listed. I wonder if you can actually get a car that way.

If someone doesn't want to deal with MSRP, various car buying services are available through many channels (Costco, AAA, credit unions, banks, independents etc...).

Regarding MSRP, less in demand vehicles can be gotten for large discounts from MSRP. So it depends on what people are looking for.

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