My GT Performance Edition (GTPE) first track launch with videos, timeslip! 0-60 in 4.12s, 1/4 mile in 12.657 @ 100.02 mph

[phil]

It’s just a lot more coin and does possibly answer the question of “is there such a thing as too fast?” The S plaid hits 120 in under 6 seconds for crying out loud.

It also has a tendency to spontaneously explode, doesn't it?

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[vakane]

The problem with that is, there are a lot of ICE performance SUVs in the $60-80K sandbox that’ll trash a GT/PE if you look past 0-60 numbers, and some will match it there as well. Not saying you’re wrong at all, just, if EV factor isn’t really important, all kinds of options exist.

Sigh if things don’t get clarified soon I’ll change my reservation to a ct5-v blackwing which I can modify to run down the lane at whatever speed I want.
My fear with EVs is that if it’s not fast out of the box… no parts to modify exists to make it fast. If that’s the case I’ll just go get a regular mach e and get the same 7500 credit (which I think is not a credit but a deduction) so not even that big of a deal.

 

[phil]

If that’s the case I’ll just go get a regular mach e and get the same 7500 credit (which I think is not a credit but a deduction) so not even that big of a deal.

It's not a deduction. 100% credit on FIT.

 

[CharleyCarlos]

It also has a tendency to spontaneously explode, doesn't it?

how frequently do EVs have to spontaneously explode before we call it a “tendency”?

It also has a tendency to spontaneously explode, doesn't it?

No, you have it all wrong. Look up the San Ramon Tesla fire.

the car sent a cryptic message to the owners phone just before exploding and burning his house down.

No cause for concern though, Elon subsequently tweeted to announce the exciting new “mission impossible” mode: this Tesla will self destruct in 5 seconds! Just like the movies!

 

[vakane]

It's not a deduction. 100% credit on FIT.

Hmmm I was told something else. I was told it’s a deduction of your federal income taxes… so you need to earn enough to have 7500 withheld and then you pay no taxes for that fiscal year.
Or did I just say the same thing you did? Is not a 7500 credit like the EIC for example.

 

[Mach1E]

The problem with that is, there are a lot of ICE performance SUVs in the $60-80K sandbox that’ll trash a GT/PE if you look past 0-60 numbers, and some will match it there as well. Not saying you’re wrong at all, just, if EV factor isn’t really important, all kinds of options exist.

IF (and that’s a big IF) the GTPE matches the model Y performance, then there aren’t any ICE performance SUVs in that price range that will beat it in the 1/4 mile.

Yes, if you stretch the budget another $20,000+ you can get an X3M or GLC63 or trackhawk. Buy all of them struggle against the Model Y performance.

I got every option on my GTPE order and after tax credit it’s $20k or more cheaper than what “should be” the next fastest SUV.

There are plenty of model Y performance vs all of those vehicles videos. And from a stop and a roll……. Y wins more than it loses.

Heck, if you really want some fun, search the Model y vs GT500 video.

That’s what I want for the GTPE.

 

[silverelan]

The target for the MMEGTPE was the model
y performance and that vehicle traps low 12s to low mid 12s so that’s where the Mach e will land once it’s all fixed. If not faster.

You're a pretty optimistic fellow.

I'm not convinced anything is broken and needs to be "fixed". The MMEs have peculiar charging and acceleration curves but maybe that's just how they are. OTAs could certainly change these things, however, it's also possible that the MME program has moved onto the next thing with no further improvement tweaks to come for the current hardware.

 

[Mach1E]

You're a pretty optimistic fellow.

I'm not convinced anything is broken and needs to be "fixed". The MMEs have peculiar charging and acceleration curves but maybe that's just how they are. OTAs could certainly change these things, however, it's also possible that the MME program has moved onto the next thing with no further improvement tweaks to come for the current hardware.

That’s why we need Ford to chime in.

The hard part is that the only thing they “promised” were specific HP/TQ figures and 0-60 times.

It is possible it hits all those numbers and just falls on its face after 60 mph.

Based on what we know about top speed and rpm, it should be about 10 mph per 1000 rpm. So at 60 mph (around 6000 rpm) it is already past both peak hp and peak tq.

That said, based on how every other BEV is designed, this would be “unique” to say the least. Not since the very first performance BEVs has a car fallen on its face at such a low speed. (08 Tesla roadster 0-60 in 3.9 but a low 100 1/4 mile trap speed).

 

[buzznwood]

IF (and that’s a big IF) the GTPE matches the model Y performance, then there aren’t any ICE performance SUVs in that price range that will beat it in the 1/4 mile.

Yes, if you stretch the budget another $20,000+ you can get an X3M or GLC63 or trackhawk. Buy all of them struggle against the Model Y performance.

I got every option on my GTPE order and after tax credit it’s $20k or more cheaper than what “should be” the next fastest SUV.

There are plenty of model Y performance vs all of those vehicles videos. And from a stop and a roll……. Y wins more than it loses.

Heck, if you really want some fun, search the Model y vs GT500 video.

That’s what I want for the GTPE.

I can certainly understand you wanting similar specs to the model Y performance, the potential of the two large motors is huge as long as the battery allows, so it should have no problems top speed aside in matching and even exceeding the mode Y peformance, so it will be interesting to see how ford responds.

While it is a year off and who knows if it will live up to expectations, but compared to the paper specs of the EV6 GT next years GTPE are going to be an even harder sell, I could easily see if it was necessary Tesla would quickly issue an OTA update to keep the Model Y competitive, will Ford do likewise or will they still be playing catch-up trying to fix paak and not yet fixed the DCFC that switches to L2 at 80%

 

[buzznwood]

You're a pretty optimistic fellow.

I'm not convinced anything is broken and needs to be "fixed". The MMEs have peculiar charging and acceleration curves but maybe that's just how they are. OTAs could certainly change these things, however, it's also possible that the MME program has moved onto the next thing with no further improvement tweaks to come for the current hardware.

Knowing Ford they have long since lost interest it will all be about the F150 lighting going forward as Ford continues is slow march to becoming the next Isuzu

 

[Mach1E]

I can certainly understand you wanting similar specs to the model Y performance, the potential of the two large motors is huge as long as the battery allows, so it should have no problems top speed aside in matching and even exceeding the mode Y peformance, so it will be interesting to see how ford responds.

While it is a year off and who knows if it will live up to expectations, but compared to the paper specs of the EV6 GT next years GTPE are going to be an even harder sell, I could easily see if it was necessary Tesla would quickly issue an OTA update to keep the Model Y competitive, will Ford do likewise or will they still be playing catch-up trying to fix paak and not yet fixed the DCFC that switches to L2 at 80%

I’m fully prepared for the EV6 to be faster. Doesn’t bother me because I personally think it’s ugly.

Now if they somehow made it look like a Stinger GT……. That would be tempting.

And since the Y is the “slowest performance Tesla,” I doubt they’re too concerned.

I just want the fastest performance Ford BEV to be…… fast. It’s a good thing it’s pretty!

 

[sotek2345]

Hmmm I was told something else. I was told it’s a deduction of your federal income taxes… so you need to earn enough to have 7500 withheld and then you pay no taxes for that fiscal year.
Or did I just say the same thing you did? Is not a 7500 credit like the EIC for example.

It is a credit, but it is non-refundable. So If you pay in 7500 or more in federal taxes (after any normal refund you would get), then you get that back. If you pay less than 7500, your taxes get set to 0 for the year and you get everything you paid back.

 

[buzznwood]

That’s why we need Ford to chime in.

The hard part is that the only thing they “promised” were specific HP/TQ figures and 0-60 times.

Naturally in euro land it is 0-100kph (0-62mph) as the GT are GTPE but the are promising a 3.7 for 0-100kph sure that has the *1ft roll out for that number but based on the posted numbers so far they have little chance of hitting that figure.

 

[blue92lx]

I can certainly understand you wanting similar specs to the model Y performance, the potential of the two large motors is huge as long as the battery allows, so it should have no problems top speed aside in matching and even exceeding the mode Y peformance, so it will be interesting to see how ford responds.

While it is a year off and who knows if it will live up to expectations, but compared to the paper specs of the EV6 GT next years GTPE are going to be an even harder sell, I could easily see if it was necessary Tesla would quickly issue an OTA update to keep the Model Y competitive, will Ford do likewise or will they still be playing catch-up trying to fix paak and not yet fixed the DCFC that switches to L2 at 80%

It's still crazy to me that Kia has come to a point to be a legitimate competitor in the automotive field. Talking about a Kia beating super cars in a 400m race (their first promo video) is bizarre to think about.

 

[silverelan]

IF (and that’s a big IF) the GTPE matches the model Y performance, then there aren’t any ICE performance SUVs in that price range that will beat it in the 1/4 mile.

Yes, if you stretch the budget another $20,000+ you can get an X3M or GLC63 or trackhawk. Buy all of them struggle against the Model Y performance.

I got every option on my GTPE order and after tax credit it’s $20k or more cheaper than what “should be” the next fastest SUV.

There are plenty of model Y performance vs all of those vehicles videos. And from a stop and a roll……. Y wins more than it loses.

Heck, if you really want some fun, search the Model y vs GT500 video.

That’s what I want for the GTPE.

Ford has been trolling Tesla hard about the Y going back to Model Y's reveal event. The 4X and GTPE zero-60 times are a direct response to Tesla. Knowing this, maybe that's why so many people are disappointed with the GTPE's performance so far. October seems far away but I think we're all looking forward to the reviews.

I'm surrounded by LR Y/3s and I can't wait to beat them all to the next stop light.

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