Decided to cancelled Mach E for a Model Y

[Mach1E]

There's one more: L gear. That's turned into my favorite. Sort of a medium regen level that slows you down gently and allows for an easier transition to use the brake pedal for the final stop.

I figured I missed some.

Technically the L gear would add 6 more settings since you could use L with any of the other combinations of drive.

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[trutolife27]

we are in the early stages people. not even 4% are bev sales. once you start getting into 20% a year or more of sales in North America bev. Then so many companies will start looking and investing in charging. We are just scratching the surface.

Tesla only has so many plants to make cars. in 5 years when all the other auto manufacturers are making bev's it will be a massive money flow for tesla and any other chargers. Elon even said opening the charging to all bev is the best business move. He is all about the money.

 

[Joetz]

I've read very few times where I've heard praises of Tesla's customer service. You must live next to a dealer. Tesla would be no option ever by me the nearest dealer is over an hour and a half away. No style and they don't change the body no thanks. Ford is new to the game so just not all mechanics will be trained at this point yet but they will be as time goes on. Teslas been around for 10 plus years and they're still damn near no dealers to go to for service I read horror stories on people waiting 6 to 8 months for fenders. Where I know at least the Ford dealership will have it. Once this car gets established in a few more months the Ford dealer will start caring parts I mean it's kind of amazing how many parts they do have for their vehicles when you walk in there and it's like wow you got this part I doubt you can say the same for Tesla. Granted there's not near the parts on a ev. when I'm on the road if there's a problem there's enough Ford dealers I can get help from or try to get help from remember this is just the beginning for this company so they're still learning Tesla's had a lot longer time with this now if Tesla was to switch to ice oh you can bet your ass they'd be a hell of a disaster. I mean they struggle right now with dealerships and service not alone with ice engines or the near amount. I mean Tesla was happy to hit $250,000 cars after it was several years Ford hit 50,000 the first year during a massive chip shortage so I feel it's just nothing but for the better for Ford in the future Tesla it's still like ehhh and they've had plenty of time and sooooooo much $$$$$ burn. Ford and gm and fiat whoever they are now don't have near the cash to burn. And actually have to turn profits on there products and not by selling pollution credits.

I own both cars dude. I have real world experiences and I’ll take that over what you have read on forums. My experience is that ford nailed the manufacturing part but has a lot of catching up to do with software, charging infrastructure, and dealer training.

 

[Bobcat17]

As far as the braking goes, it really depends on what mode/setting combo you’re using.

There are at least 6 settings/combos. Whisper, engage and unbridled. All with and without 1 pedal drive.

Whisper drives like an ICE. Unbridled a lot less smooth. And if 5 mph stop and go, 1 pedal drive is awesome and smooth. You never hit the brakes.

If it isn’t smooth, it’s likely due to a transition from regen braking to regular brakes, but you can change the drive mode if it isn’t to your liking.

I wasn't fan initially of 1 pedal drive but once I got used to it I love it. It's kind of a challenge timing the regen braking as you approach another car whether you are going 10 mph or 50 mph. I rarely touch the regular brake.

 

[ossied316]

Wish everyone well with the Mach E. Was able to test drive a Model Y today and it was really nice. Between proven OTA updates, 250kw charging, Supercharger network, and 300+ range, decided to go for it. I would love to also test drive a Mach E, but seems like that is not happening anytime soon. I'm sure the Mach E will be great, but for 50k I am nervous about all the "firsts" by ford. First OTA, first car on this new platform, first with this online sales model. I also think folks underestimate the dealers ability to service a new EV. My Volt was always problematic at the dealer, they would say, oh the EV guy is not here today, etc. They will only see a handful of these for quite some time and yours will be the one they learn on. Hopefully over a few years that will change. Good luck everyone!

I am about to cancel my Mach e order. I order a model y a few weeks ago. I think the Mach e looks better but other than that Tesla has it bet in every other area. I test drove the Mach e and wasn't too impressed tbh. Felt like any other Ford I've driven. I also test drive a model 3 it felt like driving a spaceship in comparison lol.

 

[Mach1E]

I am about to cancel my Mach e order. I order a model y a few weeks ago. I think the Mach e looks better but other than that Tesla has it bet in every other area. I test drove the Mach e and wasn't too impressed tbh. Felt like any other Ford I've driven. I also test drive a model 3 it felt like driving a spaceship in comparison lol.

The reviewers seem to think the opposite- the Mach E has the Tesla beat in every area, except acceleration.

But to each their own.

 

[mburtsvt]

I am about to cancel my Mach e order. I order a model y a few weeks ago. I think the Mach e looks better but other than that Tesla has it bet in every other area. I test drove the Mach e and wasn't too impressed tbh. Felt like any other Ford I've driven. I also test drive a model 3 it felt like driving a spaceship in comparison lol.

Too much Technology - not enough problem.

 

[Vulnox]

We have driven the Model Y and Mach E, and the Mach-E is an easy win. The Model Y was nice enough, but we were unimpressed by Autopilot, with it doing some odd stuff that my F-150 handles better. No center screen for speedo and other details suuuuuucks. Same with most of the easy access missing controls. All I ever hear in response to that is "you get used to it". Fine, you can get used to a lot of things, doesn't make them good ideas.

The Mach-E is smooth, has great range, especially since Tesla has been shown to be up to 20% optimistic in their range targets in real world usage, where the Mach-E and many other non-Tesla EVs overperform their range targets.

Plus while Mach-Es may be getting delayed on delivery, Tesla has instead taken the cool approach to keep delivering vehicles, but not including basic features like USB ports and in many cases not telling customers their Model 3/Y will be delivered that way (there are some Tesla reps that are informing their customers of this, which is why I said many cases and not all).

If I wasn't getting a Mach-E, I would be looking at the ID.4. I honestly think what I thought would take several years to happen, that is Tesla losing their competitive advantage, has already happened. They still rule the road on OTA updates and SuperCharger network, but their actual EV centric stuff like Drive feel, performance, and sometimes range, is already being beaten by VW, Ford, and Porsche, among others. Plus you get actual knobs/dials/instrument clusters!

Don't get me wrong, all Tesla vehicles are still fantastic products. Their overall reliability in terms of driveline components seems way better than I would have thought it would be five or so years ago. They are just losing ground exceedingly fast in this market, many of the recent reviews comparing new EVs to their comparable Tesla match and the Tesla rarely winning out except on the two areas I mentioned are solid evidence of this.

 

[ossied316]

Too much Technology - not enough problem.

Definitely agree. I would have actually preferred if Ford just used an electric engine and battery and not try to use a computer for everything.

 

[ossied316]

We have driven the Model Y and Mach E, and the Mach-E is an easy win. The Model Y was nice enough, but we were unimpressed by Autopilot, with it doing some odd stuff that my F-150 handles better. No center screen for speedo and other details suuuuuucks. Same with most of the easy access missing controls. All I ever hear in response to that is "you get used to it". Fine, you can get used to a lot of things, doesn't make them good ideas.

The Mach-E is smooth, has great range, especially since Tesla has been shown to be up to 20% optimistic in their range targets in real world usage, where the Mach-E and many other non-Tesla EVs overperform their range targets.

Plus while Mach-Es may be getting delayed on delivery, Tesla has instead taken the cool approach to keep delivering vehicles, but not including basic features like USB ports and in many cases not telling customers their Model 3/Y will be delivered that way (there are some Tesla reps that are informing their customers of this, which is why I said many cases and not all).

If I wasn't getting a Mach-E, I would be looking at the ID.4. I honestly think what I thought would take several years to happen, that is Tesla losing their competitive advantage, has already happened. They still rule the road on OTA updates and SuperCharger network, but their actual EV centric stuff like Drive feel, performance, and sometimes range, is already being beaten by VW, Ford, and Porsche, among others. Plus you get actual knobs/dials/instrument clusters!

Don't get me wrong, all Tesla vehicles are still fantastic products. Their overall reliability in terms of driveline components seems way better than I would have thought it would be five or so years ago. They are just losing ground exceedingly fast in this market, many of the recent reviews comparing new EVs to their comparable Tesla match and the Tesla rarely winning out except on the two areas I mentioned are solid evidence of this.

With electronics software rules everything. Apple and Tesla show that. The gap is not going to get closer and probably going to get larger. This forum is what actually made me switch to a Tesla. The software seems not ready to for production with ppl having to take trips to the dealer to get the computer reset.

 

[Vulnox]

With electronics software rules everything. Apple and Tesla show that. The gap is not going to get closer and probably going to get larger. This forum is what actually made me switch to a Tesla. The software seems not ready to for production with ppl having to take trips to the dealer to get the computer reset.

Apple and Tesla is not a good comparison. Apple makes design choices based on improving overall user experience, their minimalism doesn't work for some power users, but for an overwhelming majority including myself who is highly skilled with computers and programming, I still like their approach because I don't want to troubleshoot stuff like my phone constantly.

Tesla on the other hand uses minimalism to cut costs and that is the priority. There is no user advantage to not having a wiper control stalk, or no center gauge cluster. Software doesn't solve bad decisions, especially bad hardware decisions.

Their software also doesn't cover up their over promise and under deliver on their range.

Their FSD has been shown to be dangerous at best, and far from ready for public roads, even from otherwise staunch Tesla fans like Kyle on Out of Spec Motoring.

I agree that their software for EVs is more mature than Ford right now, like the plug and charge at SuperChargers is far quicker and more reliable than plug and charge at EA, their routing for charging and that is better, they get a lot of stuff right. But that is largely due to their early start on those issues (which is a knock against Ford for sure, not giving them a pass at all on that front).

But to act like Tesla software is somehow perfect and Ford or others have miles to go is incorrect by most any metric. Even in the almost year since the MME launch, Plug and Charge reliability has improved significantly and will only get better, as will EA and other network availability. If the Supercharger network does open to non Tesla EVs in the US as it already is in Europe, then Tesla loses its main non-Autopilot advantage.

So no, it's not Tesla and Apple, it's Tesla and Google. Where Android every year offers up a mountain of new "Features", but when you get into them, only a few actually work as well as advertised and others are half baked. That doesn't make Android bad or Tesla bad, but they have a definite history of putting out features that make big claims but are just in perpetual beta, and the customer is the beta tester.

 

[BMT1071]

We have driven the Model Y and Mach E, and the Mach-E is an easy win. The Model Y was nice enough, but we were unimpressed by Autopilot, with it doing some odd stuff that my F-150 handles better. No center screen for speedo and other details suuuuuucks. Same with most of the easy access missing controls. All I ever hear in response to that is "you get used to it". Fine, you can get used to a lot of things, doesn't make them good ideas.

The Mach-E is smooth, has great range, especially since Tesla has been shown to be up to 20% optimistic in their range targets in real world usage, where the Mach-E and many other non-Tesla EVs overperform their range targets.

Plus while Mach-Es may be getting delayed on delivery, Tesla has instead taken the cool approach to keep delivering vehicles, but not including basic features like USB ports and in many cases not telling customers their Model 3/Y will be delivered that way (there are some Tesla reps that are informing their customers of this, which is why I said many cases and not all).

If I wasn't getting a Mach-E, I would be looking at the ID.4. I honestly think what I thought would take several years to happen, that is Tesla losing their competitive advantage, has already happened. They still rule the road on OTA updates and SuperCharger network, but their actual EV centric stuff like Drive feel, performance, and sometimes range, is already being beaten by VW, Ford, and Porsche, among others. Plus you get actual knobs/dials/instrument clusters!

Don't get me wrong, all Tesla vehicles are still fantastic products. Their overall reliability in terms of driveline components seems way better than I would have thought it would be five or so years ago. They are just losing ground exceedingly fast in this market, many of the recent reviews comparing new EVs to their comparable Tesla match and the Tesla rarely winning out except on the two areas I mentioned are solid evidence of this.

The affordable Teslas are ugly. That's their biggest problem. I love driving my MME and I am mostly satisfied with the software performance. Could it be better? Sure. But it has never inhibited me from getting where I want to go when I want to go there. Manufacturing problems notwithstanding, if I could have a Model S in my garage for what I paid for my MME, I would.

 

[BMT1071]

Apple and Tesla is not a good comparison. Apple makes design choices based on improving overall user experience, their minimalism doesn't work for some power users, but for an overwhelming majority including myself who is highly skilled with computers and programming, I still like their approach because I don't want to troubleshoot stuff like my phone constantly.

Tesla on the other hand uses minimalism to cut costs and that is the priority. There is no user advantage to not having a wiper control stalk, or no center gauge cluster. Software doesn't solve bad decisions, especially bad hardware decisions.

Their software also doesn't cover up their over promise and under deliver on their range.

Their FSD has been shown to be dangerous at best, and far from ready for public roads, even from otherwise staunch Tesla fans like Kyle on Out of Spec Motoring.

I agree that their software for EVs is more mature than Ford right now, like the plug and charge at SuperChargers is far quicker and more reliable than plug and charge at EA, their routing for charging and that is better, they get a lot of stuff right. But that is largely due to their early start on those issues (which is a knock against Ford for sure, not giving them a pass at all on that front).

But to act like Tesla software is somehow perfect and Ford or others have miles to go is incorrect by most any metric. Even in the almost year since the MME launch, Plug and Charge reliability has improved significantly and will only get better, as will EA and other network availability. If the Supercharger network does open to non Tesla EVs in the US as it already is in Europe, then Tesla loses its main non-Autopilot advantage.

So no, it's not Tesla and Apple, it's Tesla and Google. Where Android every year offers up a mountain of new "Features", but when you get into them, only a few actually work as well as advertised and others are half baked. That doesn't make Android bad or Tesla bad, but they have a definite history of putting out features that make big claims but are just in perpetual beta, and the customer is the beta tester.

The huge difference there is that Google/Android is 'free'.

 

[Vulnox]

The affordable Teslas are ugly. That's their biggest problem. I love driving my MME and I am mostly satisfied with the software performance. Could it be better? Sure. But it has never inhibited me from getting where I want to go when I want to go there. Manufacturing problems notwithstanding, if I could have a Model S in my garage for what I paid for my MME, I would.

Yeah, exterior styling has never been a big issue for me. I seem to be among what seems to be a smaller pool of people that doesn't mind the Model Y styling. I think if it didn't have the flat nose it would improve significantly on its own, even if they did like the MME GT and just blacked it out or gave it some graphical styling.

I agree on the Model S, if Tesla told me I could have a Model S for $60k or the MME Premium AWD/ER we ordered for $55k, I would take the Model S all day long.

But the current going rate of $60k to start for the Model Y versus the $55k after incentives of our on order MME, just doesn't make sense to go Model Y. Especially with Tesla delivering them without USB ports... Pretty sure I can get USB ports in a $30k Hyundai.

 

[ossied316]

Apple and Tesla is not a good comparison. Apple makes design choices based on improving overall user experience, their minimalism doesn't work for some power users, but for an overwhelming majority including myself who is highly skilled with computers and programming, I still like their approach because I don't want to troubleshoot stuff like my phone constantly.

Tesla on the other hand uses minimalism to cut costs and that is the priority. There is no user advantage to not having a wiper control stalk, or no center gauge cluster. Software doesn't solve bad decisions, especially bad hardware decisions.

Their software also doesn't cover up their over promise and under deliver on their range.

Their FSD has been shown to be dangerous at best, and far from ready for public roads, even from otherwise staunch Tesla fans like Kyle on Out of Spec Motoring.

I agree that their software for EVs is more mature than Ford right now, like the plug and charge at SuperChargers is far quicker and more reliable than plug and charge at EA, their routing for charging and that is better, they get a lot of stuff right. But that is largely due to their early start on those issues (which is a knock against Ford for sure, not giving them a pass at all on that front).

But to act like Tesla software is somehow perfect and Ford or others have miles to go is incorrect by most any metric. Even in the almost year since the MME launch, Plug and Charge reliability has improved significantly and will only get better, as will EA and other network availability. If the Supercharger network does open to non Tesla EVs in the US as it already is in Europe, then Tesla loses its main non-Autopilot advantage.

So no, it's not Tesla and Apple, it's Tesla and Google. Where Android every year offers up a mountain of new "Features", but when you get into them, only a few actually work as well as advertised and others are half baked. That doesn't make Android bad or Tesla bad, but they have a definite history of putting out features that make big claims but are just in perpetual beta, and the customer is the beta tester.

Apple features weren't released right away when they said they would be this year... Bluecruise where are you? You like the truck and that's great. I was expecting more. Just not for me is all. Enjoy your truck tho! Def looks sick!

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