Why isn’t it faster than the model Y?

[Stang68]

Accountants didn’t make the cars like the LFA.

The LFA was made by aliens who understand driving and styling more than any human being ever could ?

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[RosarioM]

The LFA was made by aliens who understand driving and styling more than any human being ever could ?

True, but I bet the accountants didn’t come in and say they were being irrational and that a 4 cylinder would be cheaper to make.

 

[RosarioM]

And it has CarPlay and AA, which is too great a sin to not include on a modern vehicle.

When the belief that your sh!t doesn’t stink is so strong that you prevent functionality that your buyers would actually like.

 

[tannerk89]

Don’t get me wrong I love my car and it’s WAY more speed than I need but a question keeps nagging at me. Why didn’t Ford do everything they could to make the GTPE outperform the Model Y performance? Clearly the Mach e was Fords answer to Tesla. There was a good year between the regular Mach e and the GT and the performance of the model Y was well documented and a known target. Why not figure out a way to make the PE even slightly faster? If I was a Ford executive I would have constantly asked this question.

For example, for the PE owners here, would you sacrifice 20 miles of range if your car was faster than a model Y by 1 second 0 to 60?

All new vehicles take 5-10 years to develop before they launch. They don’t know what specs other manufacturers are targeting in their development of their new models either as they’re closely guarded and highly confidential. The MY released at almost the same time as the MME. It’s not really possible to just scrap something that had billions of dollars invested in RnD just to gain 0.2s of 0-60 time.

 

[Stang68]

True, but I bet the accountants didn’t come in and say they were being irrational and that a 4 cylinder would be cheaper to make.

The accountants did, but the engineers showed them the way out…

 

[Logal727]

When the belief that your sh!t doesn’t stink is so strong that you prevent functionality that your buyers would actually like.

It had to be the biggest turn off for us when we test drove one and we had two MMEs on order. So glad we got the MME. I would have been forever annoyed not having CarPlay, it would have been a constant reminder of what a poor decision I made lol.

The sales experience there seemed a lot better though. That’s about it.

 

[silverelan]

All new vehicles take 5-10 years to develop before they launch. They don’t know what specs other manufacturers are targeting in their development of their new models either as they’re closely guarded and highly confidential. The MY released at almost the same time as the MME. It’s not really possible to just scrap something that had billions of dollars invested in RnD just to gain 0.2s of 0-60 time.

The original EV program that morphed into the MME was announced in early 2017 when Ford said that a small 300mi-ranged EV SUV and a hybrid Mustang were both in the works. Those somehow got combined into the car we have now and is why we have the performance compromises we experience.

I just wish that Ford had been more aggressive out of the gate with upsizing the HV components to handle Mustang performance metrics once they started aiming it against Model Y/MYP.

https://media.ford.com/content/ford...lectrified-f-150-mustang-transit-by-2020.html

 

[Ghost Ryder]

This is what I mean. They have the balls to call an SUV a Mustang and then don’t go the extra step of making a hero car. Even if it’s a special version of the PE like a GT 500 equivalent. Maybe that’s in the works but they should have announced it by now I would think.

I don’t buy the idea that Tesla is sooo ahead with the battery tech. If that was the case, then why is the PE already so close to the model Y in its very first year? Hopefully this wasn’t the case of accountants getting involved. Accountants didn’t make the cars like the LFA.

Tesla is way ahead in battery tech. The model Y battery is only 82kw. The Mache is 100kw (91 usable). This is also a big part of why the Mache weighs so much more than the tesla. Batteries are heavy. That's a 18% bigger pack for less range and speed. It also overheat much quicker and can't sustain full power for longer than 5 secs or even give full power above 72mph. The gap will only get bigger when Texas model Y come on line in a month with their new 4680 batteries.

Having said all that, I still bought a GTPE because right now, there's not many options for electric vehicles. One year from now, it'll be a whole new ball game. Ford will have to not only compete with tesla, but also the Korean brands (love the new genesis GV60) on the low end, audis, VWs, BMWs in the mid range and electric porsche macan on the higher end. Ford better step up their game in a hurry.

 

[MnSparty38]

Ford better step up their game in a hurry.

I had a tough time picking btw the MY and MME. It came down to the discounts (tax credits, employee discount), and instrument display. I know the mme tech and batteries are behind Tesla, and may kick myself when the new MY batteries come online. Top speed/acceleration wasn’t a big factor, 4.8 is more than enough for me.

however, more competition is needed in the EV game. If Ford/Gm weren’t getting into the game, curious on how legislation would tilt against EV.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

Teslas are also allergenic to quality paint, 360 cameras, and well-made interiors…and exteriors.

I wouldn't so smug with Tesla's problems until you start reading about all the problems that Mache owners are having. have you seen the "issues and problems section on this forum?" Down right scary with cars that just won't start, leaving owners stranded, to PAAK systems that never worked correctly, or 12V batteries that just crap out for no reason.

What I'm saying is that Ford is not immune to problems. If anything, looks like they're having lots of teething problems.

I really hope my GTPE will be problem free.

 

[UsernameChecksOut]

I’m okay with it… owning my GTPE for a month has been a great experience so far. I’m not going to track this thing, but I do enjoy the head turns and also getting off the line stupid fast while hauling groceries or chauffeuring the kids.

What I do think is that Ford did a good job from a product standpoint building a product that would be emotionally appealing and align well to their largest addressable markets (demographic).

The practicality of the vehicle and design details are on point… just one example, the lower shelf in the center console for wife’s purse. ? I get my fun and the wife gets a sensible family car.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

I had a tough time picking btw the MY and MME. It came down to the discounts (tax credits, employee discount), and instrument display. I know the mme tech and batteries are behind Tesla, and may kick myself when the new MY batteries come online. Top speed/acceleration wasn’t a big factor, 4.8 is more than enough for me.

however, more competition is needed in the EV game. If Ford/Gm weren’t getting into the game, curious on how legislation would tilt against EV.

As long is you don't get a lemon, I think they're both great cars. I currently have a MY LR with acceleration boost. It's plenty quick. Even better when acceleration from 70 on the hwy to pass or merge.

I thought I would miss the instrument display, but surprisingly its a positive. The road the right in front of you, plus the air vents blow directly on your face vs from the sides. Its great on hot or cold days. Just ask yourself, when was the last time you really needed to look at your speedo? Generally you drive with traffic ( maybe a little faster). You really don't care too much about your absolute speed on a daily basis. And if you really need to check, just look a little to the right. Not a big deal.

The one thing that I really miss though is the blind spot monitoring. Big fail on the tesla.

 

[Stang68]

I wouldn't so smug with Tesla's problems until you start reading about all the problems that Mache owners are having. have you seen the "issues and problems section on this forum?" Down right scary with cars that just won't start, leaving owners stranded, to PAAK systems that never worked correctly, or 12V batteries that just crap out for no reason.

What I'm saying is that Ford is not immune to problems. If anything, looks like they're having lots of teething problems.

I really hope my GTPE will be problem free.

Plenty smug considering they’ve been making four cars (let’s be honest it’s only two cars because no one is buying the S and X even though the S is the only good looking Tesla) and they still can’t get the basics right. Like the basics. Like speakers falling off during review periods.
And you go on any forum and you’ll see issues, you know that. Go on any actual Tesla forum and it’s rife with issues, too. Complain on some other Tesla forums and you get brought out back and shot ?

Edit: and don’t get me wrong, I admire plenty about Tesla, but the shit-don’t-stink attitude of their customers Is a real turn off. And now that the big carmakers are getting into the game, it’s getting interesting.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

Plenty smug considering they’ve been making four cars (let’s be honest it’s only two cars because no one is buying the S and X even though the S is the only good looking Tesla) and they still can’t get the basics right. Like the basics. Like speakers falling off during review periods.
And you go on any forum and you’ll see issues, you know that. Go on any actual Tesla forum and it’s rife with issues, too. Complain on some other Tesla forums and you get brought out back and shot ?

I don't get that they are hostile over there. I feel that this forum is more defensive. There are tons of threads on pre-inspections, what to do if you find problems, common problems and solutions. Some members have had issues most have been helpful. I don't remember a lot of "why did you buy your tesla then, just sell it."

They are definitely Tesla as expected, but Not as anti other manufacture as this forum seems to be. I'm new to ford (Only other ford in my family was a Ford Probe 25 years ago.) But it may just be that FORD people are used to type of rivalry with GM and that attitude just shifted to a new competitor.

 

[nvabill]

Don’t get me wrong I love my car and it’s WAY more speed than I need but a question keeps nagging at me. Why didn’t Ford do everything they could to make the GTPE outperform the Model Y performance? Clearly the Mach e was Fords answer to Tesla. There was a good year between the regular Mach e and the GT and the performance of the model Y was well documented and a known target. Why not figure out a way to make the PE even slightly faster? If I was a Ford executive I would have constantly asked this question.

For example, for the PE owners here, would you sacrifice 20 miles of range if your car was faster than a model Y by 1 second 0 to 60?

Why do they need to? You are proof that they don’t need to as you still bought yours knowing it is slower than the Tesla. So, the question is why did you buy the Ford over the Tesla? Answer that and you will have your answer.

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