Stop Safely Now (HVBJB): Mach-E Owners Biggest Fear - Facts and Info Thread

[BigMach-E]

As soon as I'm allowed to get the part swap, if that is indeed the expected fix, I'm going to do exactly that. It's been almost 4 months and 4400 miles since I had the HVJBC and BECM replaced, with what I believe are the exact same parts that are known to fail. I'm going in for service on 6/28 to get a key fob programmed and the trunk lid possibly adjusted (manufacturing defect), so I hope the stars align with a official word from Ford about this matter prior.

I don't have any confidence that this won't happen again in the next 5000 miles with the exact same parts.

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[heisnuts]

Unless Ford issues a recall to replace the HVBJB, I think a lot of owners are going to be disappointed. If there is no recall I am sure dealers will not replace a non failed part at no charge to the customer and I am also pretty sure once the customer learns that it will cost them over $1,500 to have it replaced a lot will not have the replacement done but will be really upset about it.

 

[Logal727]

Unless Ford issues a recall to replace the HVBJB, I think a lot of owners are going to be disappointed. If there is no recall I am sure dealers will not replace a non failed part at no charge to the customer and I am also pretty sure once the customer learns that it will cost them over $1,500 to have it replaced a lot will not have the replacement done but will be really upset about it.

i seriously doubt there won’t be a recall

 

[heisnuts]

i seriously doubt there won’t be a recall

I don’t know. Given the cost to replace the HVBJB, I am guessing it is going to be a cost/benefit analysis and unless their hand is forced I suspect the cost to replace all of the affected parts will outweigh the benefit. My guess is any action by Ford will be an extension to the warranty on the HVBJB to something like 15 years or 150,000 miles.

 

[generaltso]

I don’t know. Given the cost to replace the HVBJB, I am guessing it is going to be a cost/benefit analysis and unless their hand is forced I suspect the cost to replace all of the affected parts will outweigh the benefit. My guess is any action by Ford will be an extension to the warranty on the HVBJB to something like 15 years or 150,000 miles.

If it's a safety issue, I have no doubt it will be a recall. Cost/benefit analysis really doesn't come into play for safety recalls.

 

[heisnuts]

If it's a safety issue, I have no doubt it will be a recall. Cost/benefit analysis really doesn't come into play for safety recalls.

I certainly hope you are right, but looking at history is what leads me to my suspicion. If you look back to the Honda/Acura transmission failures for the 2000 - 2003 range I think most would find a transmission failure at highway speeds a huge safety issue, but even after reports to the government and class action lawsuits the result was a 7 year or 105K extended warranty on the affected transmissions. I am sure the reason they went the extension route vs the recall & replace all route was they figured the cost to replace all would have been more than only replacing the ones that failed in that extension period.

 

[Logal727]

I certainly hope you are right, but looking at history is what leads me to my suspicion. If you look back to the Honda/Acura transmission failures for the 2000 - 2003 range I think most would find a transmission failure at highway speeds a huge safety issue, but even after reports to the government and class action lawsuits the result was a 7 year or 105K extended warranty on the affected transmissions. I am sure the reason they went the extension route vs the recall & replace all route was they figured the cost to replace all would have been more than only replacing the ones that failed in that extension period.

Yeah I think that might be an OK way to handle it if there’s like a software update or something done

 

[heisnuts]

Yeah I think that might be an OK way to handle it if there’s like a software update or something done

I do believe there will be a software update that will be applied to all of the cars at no charge to the customer (hopefully Ford will be able to do this OTA), but I just don’t think they are going to be dropping all of the battery packs to replace all of the HVBJBs due to the cost that would be involved with it.

 

[BigMach-E]

I don’t know. Given the cost to replace the HVBJB, I am guessing it is going to be a cost/benefit analysis and unless their hand is forced I suspect the cost to replace all of the affected parts will outweigh the benefit. My guess is any action by Ford will be an extension to the warranty on the HVBJB to something like 15 years or 150,000 miles.

Yeah I think that might be an OK way to handle it if there’s like a software update or something done

I would feel that this would be an okay way to go only if they replaced the HVJBC with the new part on the cars that have already had this failure. I'm pretty certain that not doing it in this fashion will lead to the people who have had this failure to sell their cars en-masse and to never buy Ford again. For me, and I had it happen in the best possible way, it was way more than an inconvenience, and I still expect my car to brick any day now (again), and not due to any fault of my own. The cost of the bad press would not be good for the flagship EV, unless they are already done and are intending to sunset the model.

 

[generaltso]

I just don’t think they are going to be dropping all of the battery packs to replace all of the HVBJBs due to the cost that would be involved with it.

The cost is irrelevant if the NHTSA finds it a safety issue. Think about how much it is costing to replace the battery in every Chevy Bolt ever made.

 

[HuntingPudel]

I'm just sitting here wondering if the HVBJB "A" part and the "B" part are the same specification, with the "B" part being from a second-source supplier, or if the part numbers include second- and third-source supplied parts and the "A" and "B" parts indeed have different specifications. ?‍?

I worried a bit about this HVBJB issue prior to my trip up the coast. I found that it wasn't worth worrying about unless it happened to me. My trip up and back down the West Coast was uneventful other than the snow storm (unless you count the additional passenger as an event). ??

 

[heisnuts]

The cost is irrelevant if the NHTSA finds it a safety issue. Think about how much it is costing to replace the battery in every Chevy Bolt ever made.

I have a feeling the way it is going to be worded is a software update is going to “fix” the issue and extending the warranty is going to provide comfort to those worried about a future failure.

The Bolt is a little different since the defect causes a fire, which causes a lot more damage than just bricking the car. In our case it just bricks the car and then the car can be towed to the nearest dealer for repairs.

 

[DevSecOps]

I have a feeling the way it is going to be worded is a software update is going to “fix” the issue and extending the warranty is going to provide comfort to those worried about a future failure.

The Bolt is a little different since the defect causes a fire, which causes a lot more damage than just bricking the car. In our case it just bricks the car and then the car can be towed to the nearest dealer for repairs.

I have a feeling too!

The HVBJB isn't a programmable module and doesn't have a lot of monitoring capabilities. I feel that if there is a software update it would be solely for mitigation and could possibly have undesirable side effects making it a, less than desirable, permanent fix.

They've been working on this issue for over 6 months. Let's put a little faith in them permanently fixing it for us.

 

[heisnuts]

I have a feeling too!

The HVBJB isn't a programmable module and doesn't have a lot of monitoring capabilities. I feel that if there is a software update it would be solely for mitigation and could possibly have undesirable side effects making it a less than desirable permanent fix.

They've been working on this issue for over 6 months. Let's put a little faith in them permanently fixing it for us.

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[scoopman]

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Double ? and hopes that they've tested more extensively this time!

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