Anybody have a solution to get rid of the max 5sec power cut off

[Studly]

Again, you don’t get 5 seconds of full power at 70 mph.

And “need” has never been the issue.

A Corvette doesn’t “need” more power than an Accord either.

To answer your question: some of us drive performance cars like performance cars occasionally.

Some of us also live 30 minutes from a drag strip.

All useless information, and not answering

Th' question:

what speed did you attain in 5 seconds, and where did you want to go (what speed did you want)?

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[Mach1E]

All useless information, and not answering

Th' question:

what speed did you attain in 5 seconds, and where did you want to go (what speed did you want)?

Well then, you’re asking the wrong question.

The speed you reach in 5 seconds isn’t what people are complaining about. It’s how slow it is after that (falls on its face).

And again and again……. You rarely get a full 5 seconds.

But yes, at 5 seconds you are at 75 mph. And that’s not even halfway through the 1/4 mile drag race. What speed do I want to go to? 112 mph in 12 seconds…… in the 1/4 mile.

 

[MachEMaster]

My dream is that the 2025 Mach-E GTPE has 130+kWh battery, full wide open unbridled power, and vehicle to load and vehicle to home capability. Count me in.

 

[Studly]

Well then, you’re asking the wrong question.

The speed you reach in 5 seconds isn’t what people are complaining about. It’s how slow it is after that (falls on its face).

And again and again……. You rarely get a full 5 seconds.

But yes, at 5 seconds you are at 75 mph. And that’s not even halfway through the 1/4 mile drag race. What speed do I want to go to? 112 mph in 12 seconds…… in the 1/4 mile.

Thank you. Now, we've learned something.

My question is wrong. I'll rephrase the question.

Your answer is useless, as your answer pertains to my driving my car, but not YOUR ACTUAL experience.

How fast have YOU gone in 5 seconds, and how fast did YOU expect to go as a goal? How has this affected YOUR Mach e?

Here's MY actual experience:
After over 20 pages of reading about 5 seconds, I bought a Mach e GT. I drove it 480 miles as fast as I could watching fire grey bars and prepared for a let down. This car handles great. The brakes are really good. I could not get the grey bars to appear. I accelerated hard and ran out of room. NeVAr had a problem passing anyone. On a two lane, in the left lane going uphill the GT was really fast. That's what I found. I bought this car two days ago. This first day: 4 times I charged and discharged the GT on the highway searching for this 5 second disappointment I've read about during the months waiting for my car to be delivered. I found that I would run out of road before I ran out of power each time. My GT has been fantastic. This 27 page thread of disappointment is not relevant to MY actual experience on the highway, both two lane twisty and big interstate. I'm posting MY real world experience. Flame ? on.

 

[SWO]

Taycan is running at 800 volts though. Plus, it’s been torture tested at the Nurburgring where it held the EV lap record until a “stock” Plaid supposedly eclipsed it. And Porsche has shown that the Taycan can run 20 back to back 0-100mph runs with virtually no performance loss. It can also cruise at 160mph on the autobahn until it runs out of charge. They obviously have cooling covered.

There is no substitute. ?

......and the Mach-E might have a more robust cooling system, which was my point.

As for 800V v. 400V, I'm not an EE but I don't think that plays a factor when discussing temperature at the battery cell level. Cabling (where DCFC comes into play, and it's not cooled), sure. Taycan uses the same LG pouch cell found in the Mach-E and the Chevy Bolt. I believe Porsche lets their cells be charged to a higher level, so they are stressed more, if anything.

It will be interesting to see how battery longevity works out for some of these Euro makes (who already have a reputation for mechanically totaling themselves shortly after the warranty expires) that are running on the edge with regards to capacity and charging.

 

[SWO]

Thank you. Now, we've learned something.

My question is wrong. I'll rephrase the question.

Your answer is useless, as your answer pertains to my driving my car, but not YOUR ACTUAL experience.

How fast have YOU gone in 5 seconds, and how fast did YOU expect to go as a goal? How has this affected YOUR Mach e?

Here's MY actual experience:
After over 20 pages of reading about 5 seconds, I bought a Mach e GT. I drove it 480 miles as fast as I could watching fire grey bars and prepared for a let down. This car handles great. The brakes are really good. I could not get the grey bars to appear. I accelerated hard and ran out of room. NeVAr had a problem passing anyone. On a two lane, in the left lane going uphill the GT was really fast. That's what I found. I bought this car two days ago. This first day: 4 times I charged and discharged the GT on the highway searching for this 5 second disappointment I've read about during the months waiting for my car to be delivered. I found that I would run out of road before I ran out of power each time. My GT has been fantastic. This 27 page thread of disappointment is not relevant to MY actual experience on the highway, both two lane twisty and big interstate. I'm posting MY real world experience. Flame ? on.

My experience matches yours. I heard all these stories about how I would start seeing grey bars and power pulled at as much as 80%. In reality I see 2 bars below 50% and 4 below 25% on average. Sometimes more if I've just "started" the car on a hot day and the battery is low, but they go away after a few minutes.

I don't remember any complaints about acceleration before the 5sec limit was publicized. Most of the complaining is over internet bragging rights, IMO.

 

[Kevin P]

Here's MY actual experience:
After over 20 pages of reading about 5 seconds, I bought a Mach e GT. I drove it 480 miles as fast as I could watching fire grey bars and prepared for a let down. This car handles great. The brakes are really good. I could not get the grey bars to appear. I accelerated hard and ran out of room. NeVAr had a problem passing anyone. On a two lane, in the left lane going uphill the GT was really fast. That's what I found. I bought this car two days ago. This first day: 4 times I charged and discharged the GT on the highway searching for this 5 second disappointment I've read about during the months waiting for my car to be delivered. I found that I would run out of road before I ran out of power each time. My GT has been fantastic. This 27 page thread of disappointment is not relevant to MY actual experience on the highway, both two lane twisty and big interstate. I'm posting MY real world experience. Flame ? on.

If you don't see the gray bars appearing once you get to around 70-75mph, and they grow in number from there, you are looking in the wrong place or are blind. The truth is that after a couple of seconds at full throttle at speeds over about 80, your 480hp GT is actually a 275hp GT. This is well-documented with actual data.

There is one number that explains the whole "problem" and that is trap speed in the 1/4 mile. The GT and GTPE trap around 102mph. The Premium AWD is faster, at 103-104. The F150 Lightning is 106. The EV6 GT, is 118. The i4 M50 is 120. What this means is that acceleration at speeds above 75-80mph is waaaay slower than competitors, regardless of what your personal butt-dyno tells you. Frankly, my driving experience is closer to what you describe than feeling like a let-down, but the numbers don't lie.

Yes, its "fast enough" for most, but being much slower than other performance-oriented BEVs is not a good thing.

 

[Mach1E]

Thank you. Now, we've learned something.

My question is wrong. I'll rephrase the question.

Your answer is useless, as your answer pertains to my driving my car, but not YOUR ACTUAL experience.

How fast have YOU gone in 5 seconds, and how fast did YOU expect to go as a goal? How has this affected YOUR Mach e?

Here's MY actual experience:
After over 20 pages of reading about 5 seconds, I bought a Mach e GT. I drove it 480 miles as fast as I could watching fire grey bars and prepared for a let down. This car handles great. The brakes are really good. I could not get the grey bars to appear. I accelerated hard and ran out of room. NeVAr had a problem passing anyone. On a two lane, in the left lane going uphill the GT was really fast. That's what I found. I bought this car two days ago. This first day: 4 times I charged and discharged the GT on the highway searching for this 5 second disappointment I've read about during the months waiting for my car to be delivered. I found that I would run out of road before I ran out of power each time. My GT has been fantastic. This 27 page thread of disappointment is not relevant to MY actual experience on the highway, both two lane twisty and big interstate. I'm posting MY real world experience. Flame ? on.

Not sure why you are having such difficulty reading.

75 mph in 5 seconds. And I want to go to 112 mph in 12 in the 1/4 mile.

Everything I have posted is my experience. I take every car I own to the local 1/4 mile drag strip.

Gray bars show up every time I drive over 70 mph.

And just wait until it gets cold outside! Gray bars are there ALL the time and no one gets 5 seconds, you don’t even get one.

This is what happens in the cold. And YES it’s getting passed by a 150hp diesel station wagon:



If it doesn’t bother you, that’s great! It has “plenty” of power for you.

 

[Mach1E]

I don't remember any complaints about acceleration before the 5sec limit was publicized. Most of the complaining is over internet bragging rights, IMO.

How could you hear “complaints before it was publicized?”

No one had driven/tested the GT. As soon as people started driving and reviewing it……. The 5 second complaints were front and center. Both here, in magazine articles and every online review.

And the worst part is we had to find out ourselves. Ford didn’t say squat.

But what’s wrong with bragging rights? That’s part of what having a performance car is about. Knowing that you “can.”

How many Corvette owners get even within 50 mph of their top speed? Less than 1% maybe? But it’s nice to know you can.

 

[SWO]

How could you hear “complaints before it was publicized?”

No one had driven/tested the GT. As soon as people started driving and reviewing it……. The 5 second complaints were front and center. Both here, in magazine articles and every online review.

And the worst part is we had to find out ourselves. Ford didn’t say squat.

But what’s wrong with bragging rights? That’s part of what having a performance car is about. Knowing that you “can.”

How many Corvette owners get even within 50 mph of their top speed? Less than 1% maybe? But it’s nice to know you can.

I don't remember seeing any complaints about power delivery before the 5sec limitation was observed when someone took their car to the track. All of the car reviews I saw before then were glowing, Kyle Conner's in particular.

I get the internet bragging rights angle. I wish I could say my car runs 11's (and I think it would if they let it), but I don't notice any limitation on a day-to-day basis.

 

[mkhuffman]

There are some people who like to drive at speeds higher than 80 mph. In fact, there are roads in this country where it is legal (or at least allowed) to do that. I don't live in an area like that, so for me, 80 mph max speed is fine. I get passed sometimes, but it is fast enough for me.

So the people who like to spend a lot of time above 80 mph are experiencing the problem much more acutely than the rest of us. They see more grey bars and find it accelerates too slowly from 80 to 90, for example. I can understand that for sure, and agree it is a problem.

But it isn't a problem that impacts my enjoyment of the car. I love it and love driving it. I am very happy with how fast it it. It unbelievably fun at the speeds I drive.

 

[Kevin P]

But it isn't a problem that impacts my enjoyment of the car. I love it and love driving it. I am very happy with how fast it it. It unbelievably fun at the speeds I drive.

For the most part I agree, just so we are clear. My hangup was the comparison to competitors... It loses on paper. Doesn't matter much IRL but it chapped my ass regardless, because its inferior.

I sold my GT a few months ago regardless, so I guess I should just not care at this point.

 

[Mach1E]

I don't remember seeing any complaints about power delivery before the 5sec limitation was observed when someone took their car to the track. All of the car reviews I saw before then were glowing, Kyle Conner's in particular.

I get the internet bragging rights angle. I wish I could say my car runs 11's (and I think it would if they let it), but I don't notice any limitation on a day-to-day basis.

You might not have remembered them, but since you got a 2022, you weren’t looking as closely as some of us.

I ordered a GT the first day you could (April 2021) and read every teaser and review that came out. As soon as they started getting delivered in August/Sept and the first people got their hands on them……. That’s when the 5 seconds complaints showed up.

In fact, here is the comprehensive list of reviews and videos from Fall 2021. At first, they didn’t mention the 5 seconds (because they weren’t allowed to do full tests).

Actually reading those “first reviews,” you’ll notice most of them DID NOT include test drives. Ford purposefully delayed the ability for reviewers to drive it and had a “blackout date” for reviews. Likely because they were hiding the 5 second limit.

https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/mach-e-gt-official-reviews-are-here.10267/

By November 2021, when they finally did full tests…. The tone changed:

https://autos.yahoo.com/2021-ford-mustang-mach-e-140000601.html

2021 Ford Mustang Mach-E GT Performance Limits Power during Hard Acceleration
Connor Hoffman
November 25, 2021

And the first Time we saw “something is wrong)- August of 2021-
https://www.macheforum.com/site/thr...-in-4-12s-1-4-mile-in-12-657-100-02-mph.9031/

First review mentioning it- Oct 2021-

https://www.macheforum.com/site/thr...reduces-battery-power-to-limit-heating.10416/

 

[Pushrods&Capacitors]

I don't remember seeing any complaints about power delivery before the 5sec limitation was observed when someone took their car to the track. All of the car reviews I saw before then were glowing, Kyle Conner's in particular.

I get the internet bragging rights angle. I wish I could say my car runs 11's (and I think it would if they let it), but I don't notice any limitation on a day-to-day basis.

Chicken vs egg. No one was complaining about the 5-seconds bombshell because almost nobody had taken delivery of their GTs yet. And there will always be those that are pleased because they just don’t care about performance specs. Lots of owners aren’t upset that the $10K cheaper 4X with 134 less hp and 200 less lb ft of torque has a faster 1/4 mile trap speed, and is actually quicker to 100 and 110mph. Good for them because it’s tough shit otherwise.

 

[buzznwood]

I don't remember seeing any complaints about power delivery before the 5sec limitation was observed when someone took their car to the track. All of the car reviews I saw before then were glowing, Kyle Conner's in particular.

I get the internet bragging rights angle. I wish I could say my car runs 11's (and I think it would if they let it), but I don't notice any limitation on a day-to-day basis.

Your memory of the issue will all depend a lot on what you where actively looking for, but when it comes to the GT/GTPE the cold hard facts are that customers got vehicles months before the press event and reviews and it was only a matter of days before the first 1/4 mile time was posted and from there it became very apparent there where serious performance deficiencies with many a forum thread and vocal owners not best pleased with the the poor performance (RIP Frankie) and all while this was happening not a peep from Ford.

The only indication of the 5 second limit from Ford could be found buried away in the smallest of small print on a euro press release. With months of Ford ghosting owners about the issue, finally the GT/GTPE gets a press event at which point attendees are told about the 5 second power limitation and based on the press event location and setting up of an auto cross track for showcasing the unbridled extend they where basically stacking the deck where the 5 seconds power limitations where not going to be an issue.

From that point on you could take your pick of reviews from shilling you tubers that are more interested in looking forward to the next manufactures paid jolly and professionals less concerned about butt hurt manufacture feelings that have been very critical of the power limitations..

None of this matters if you enjoy your GT and don't find these power limitations a problems, there will be others however where the overall performance is the key metric and on that front there is no point sugar coating it. The trim that is market for performance above 60mph is a performance turd not just compared to the equivalent performance BEV competition but also any ICE with a similar 480hp because it oily delivers 480hp for the briefest of moments.

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